[Lukongsimi]

The Quran itself proves Islam is fake. Let’s look at one example shall we?

In the Quran, the Christian concept of the Trinity is addressed in several verses, particularly in Surah 4:171, Surah 5:73-74, and Surah 5:116. Here are the relevant excerpts:

Surah 4:171

O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, “Three”; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs.

Surah 5:73-74

They have certainly disbelieved who say, “Allah is the third of three.” And there is no god except one God. And if they do not desist from what they are saying, there will surely afflict the disbelievers among them a painful punishment. So will they not repent to Allah and seek His forgiveness? And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

Surah 5:116

And [beware the Day] when Allah will say, “O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, ‘Take me and my mother as deities besides Allah?’” He will say, “Exalted are You! It was not for me to say that to which I have no right. If I had said it, You would have known it. You know what is within myself, and I do not know what is within Yourself. Indeed, it is You who is Knower of the unseen.”

From these verses, it is evident that whoever wrote the Quran had a fundamental misunderstanding of the Christian doctrine of the Trinity. The Quran interprets the Trinity as consisting of Allah, Jesus, and Mary, which is simply not true.

No Christian denomination, including Roman Catholics, nor any sects, worship Mary as the third member of the Trinity. The Trinity in Christian doctrine is strictly understood as God the Father, God the Son (Jesus Christ), and God the Holy Spirit.

The Quran got it wrong.

The Quran is an untrustworthy source.

Islam is a false religion.

This was how Satan deceived Adam n Eve into believing the forbidden fruits of the tree of knowledge of good n evil is something else which can eat n live.

[pinkpanther]

This was how Satan deceived Adam n Eve into believing the forbidden fruits of the tree of knowledge of good n evil is something else which can eat n live.

The moslems got tricked by their own book and yet they refuse to wake up...
The Trinity is not God, Jesus and Mary....how can the Quran get this one wrong? 

[Lukongsimi]

The moslems got tricked by their own book and yet they refuse to wake up...
The Trinity is not God, Jesus and Mary....how can the Quran get this one wrong? 

😂

[Ali Imran]

““Whoever hears these teachings of mine and obeys them is like a wise man who built his house on rock. It rained hard, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat against that house. But it did not fall because it was built on rock. “Whoever hears these teachings of mine and does not obey them is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. It rained hard, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat against that house. And it fell with a loud crash.” When Jesus finished speaking, the people were amazed at his teaching. He did not teach like their teachers of the law. He taught like someone who has authority.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭7‬:‭24‬-‭29‬ ‭ERV

I will keep on reminding you that you are not hearing the teachings of Jesus. 

Jesus said to worship the only true God. He clearly said that. Why do you not hear the words of Jesus? Why do you worship Jesus instead?

[Ali Imran]

Paul warned the Galatian Christians about false gospel lah!

Whose gospel exactly did Paul warn the Galatian Christians? What would you say if you knew it was the gospel from Peter?

You won't believe my answers and you will have more questions lah!

This is another case similar to the one I was just discussing with SimTan, where Paul was opposed by the disciples, in this case Peter.

So you have the disciples like James or Peter who were taught directly by Jesus. And then you have Paul who was never mentioned at all by Jesus, who came along after Jesus had left, who taught doctrines that opposed or canceled Jesus's teachings. And then you have the disputes between the 2 sides, Paul vs disciples, somehow recorded in the NT.

So why did you choose Paul instead of the disciples of Jesus?

[Lukongsimi]

I will keep on reminding you that you are not hearing the teachings of Jesus. 

Jesus said to worship the only true God. He clearly said that. Why do you not hear the words of Jesus? Why do you worship Jesus instead?

We worship one God but you worship man and God why?

[Ali Imran]

The Sabbath is another sticking point. Telling people there's no need to observe the Sabbath usually raises more questions than answers. I'm sure you know why the fourth command isn't applicable to the New Covenant in Christ.

The point we're trying to arrive at is the sore point of Sola Fide. Your argument is to say that James wasn't opposing the Sola Fide. But that is not true. The proof will be the disregard Christians like you have for the commandments like the Sabbath. Paul brought that idea and you followed it without regards to Jesus's own words about the commandments. James heard it firsthand Jesus said the commandments must be obeyed till the end of time and he held on to Jesus's words. That is why he opposed Paul.

[Ali Imran]

We worship one God but you worship man and God why?

I already advice you that you should not listen to your friend who is a known liar. Muslims don't worship a man. He lied to you and you believe him.

If you want to learn about Islam, you should not listen to a liar like pinky.

[Lukongsimi]

I already advice you that you should not listen to your friend who is a known liar. Muslims don't worship a man. He lied to you and you believe him.

If you want to learn about Islam, you should not listen to a liar like pinky.

He is telling the truth according to your book

[Ali Imran]

We worship one God...

Which one? God the Father? Or God the Son? Or God the Holy Spirit?

They are each one God, according to your own Christian scholars.

[Ali Imran]

He is telling the truth according to your book

LOL

You think he ever attended any of our religious classes?

You're really funny for believing he knows anything about Islam. You're so gullible. Almost anybody can easily fool you.

[Lukongsimi]

LOL

You think he ever attended any of our religious classes?

You're really funny for believing he knows anything about Islam. You're so gullible. Almost anybody can easily fool you.

He Quoted from the Koran u embarrassed is it ?
Black n white proof
Yours even got trinity lol
Added Mary ?

[Lukongsimi]

Faked book want to argue against genuine book
No wisdom lah

[Ali Imran]

He Quoted from the Koran u embarrassed is it ?
Black n white proof
Yours even got trinity lol
Added Mary ?

So there, a clear-cut lie from your liar friend pinky. THe Quran didn't get the Trinity wrong because the Quran never, in any verse, states that Mary belongs to the Trinity.

He lied to you and you just believe him without checking. See? I told you that you're so gullible.

[Lukongsimi]

The Quran itself proves Islam is fake. Let’s look at one example shall we?

In the Quran, the Christian concept of the Trinity is addressed in several verses, particularly in Surah 4:171, Surah 5:73-74, and Surah 5:116. Here are the relevant excerpts:

Surah 4:171

O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, “Three”; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs.

Surah 5:73-74

They have certainly disbelieved who say, “Allah is the third of three.” And there is no god except one God. And if they do not desist from what they are saying, there will surely afflict the disbelievers among them a painful punishment. So will they not repent to Allah and seek His forgiveness? And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

Surah 5:116

And [beware the Day] when Allah will say, “O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, ‘Take me and my mother as deities besides Allah?’” He will say, “Exalted are You! It was not for me to say that to which I have no right. If I had said it, You would have known it. You know what is within myself, and I do not know what is within Yourself. Indeed, it is You who is Knower of the unseen.”

From these verses, it is evident that whoever wrote the Quran had a fundamental misunderstanding of the Christian doctrine of the Trinity. The Quran interprets the Trinity as consisting of Allah, Jesus, and Mary, which is simply not true.

No Christian denomination, including Roman Catholics, nor any sects, worship Mary as the third member of the Trinity. The Trinity in Christian doctrine is strictly understood as God the Father, God the Son (Jesus Christ), and God the Holy Spirit.

The Quran got it wrong.

The Quran is an untrustworthy source.

Islam is a false religion.

Go n read lah your version of trinity comes from where?

[pinkpanther]

In quran 5:73 those are declared disbelievers who believe in trinity.

My question is after mentioning trinity why does quran mentions the two persons as Jesus and Mary in 5:75. Now anyone would conclude from this that quran is assuming mary to be a part of Trinity.

I know though she is worshipped but what's the point of mentioning her in the context of quran 5:73? The Quran should instead mention The Holy Spirit..What is wrong with the Quran?

[pinkpanther]

The Quran is not true because it does not know what is the Trinity because it does not state explicitly that it is God, Jesus and The Holy Spirit..

[pinkpanther]

We worship one God but you worship man and God why?

 I like how you turn the table against the moslem brothers...

[Lukongsimi]

https://youtu.be/pSnktivita8
Very fierce how
Come ?

[Ali Imran]

Go n read lah your version of trinity comes  from where?

Read it for yourself. I'm sure you can read well enough. Where does it say Mary is a part of the Trinity?

Why do you want to listen to that liar?

[pinkpanther]

Why does the Quran mention that Mary and Jesus used to eat “the food”?

Simple, by eating food it “proves” they are not gods. The Quran assumed the trinity was Allah, Mary and Jesus - as shown by the remarks about three, and two of them eating food.

Muslims try to deny this, and they reason they do is this, it shows that the writer of the Quran was clueless about the New Testament. The author only had ideas from heretical Christian sects and gnostic writings.

Once you realise this, you also realise the author was not Allah. Allah would know what the Christian Trinity was, but an isolated Arab with only heretical accounts of Christianity and hearsay, would not know it.

This is just one of several errors in the Quran that demonstrate it is purely fiction.

[Hope]

The Quran itself proves Islam is fake. Let’s look at one example shall we?

In the Quran, the Christian concept of the Trinity is addressed in several verses, particularly in Surah 4:171, Surah 5:73-74, and Surah 5:116. Here are the relevant excerpts:

Surah 4:171

O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, “Three”; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs.

Surah 5:73-74

They have certainly disbelieved who say, “Allah is the third of three.” And there is no god except one God. And if they do not desist from what they are saying, there will surely afflict the disbelievers among them a painful punishment. So will they not repent to Allah and seek His forgiveness? And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

Surah 5:116

And [beware the Day] when Allah will say, “O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, ‘Take me and my mother as deities besides Allah?’” He will say, “Exalted are You! It was not for me to say that to which I have no right. If I had said it, You would have known it. You know what is within myself, and I do not know what is within Yourself. Indeed, it is You who is Knower of the unseen.”

From these verses, it is evident that whoever wrote the Quran had a fundamental misunderstanding of the Christian doctrine of the Trinity. The Quran interprets the Trinity as consisting of Allah, Jesus, and Mary, which is simply not true.

No Christian denomination, including Roman Catholics, nor any sects, worship Mary as the third member of the Trinity. The Trinity in Christian doctrine is strictly understood as God the Father, God the Son (Jesus Christ), and God the Holy Spirit.

The Quran got it wrong.

The Quran is an untrustworthy source.

Islam is a false religion.

If you reject Islam based on trinity, you should reject Judaism as well(Torah, Psalm and Old Testament)
Jews not only rejected the trinity and also miraculous birth of Jesus.They even called him a son of a 😭

Both Jews and Muslims reject the trinity and believe in oneness’s of God.

If you reject Quran then reject the Old Testament

[Hope]

The Quran itself proves Islam is fake. Let’s look at one example shall we?

In the Quran, the Christian concept of the Trinity is addressed in several verses, particularly in Surah 4:171, Surah 5:73-74, and Surah 5:116. Here are the relevant excerpts:

Surah 4:171

O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, “Three”; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs.

Surah 5:73-74

They have certainly disbelieved who say, “Allah is the third of three.” And there is no god except one God. And if they do not desist from what they are saying, there will surely afflict the disbelievers among them a painful punishment. So will they not repent to Allah and seek His forgiveness? And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

Surah 5:116

And [beware the Day] when Allah will say, “O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, ‘Take me and my mother as deities besides Allah?’” He will say, “Exalted are You! It was not for me to say that to which I have no right. If I had said it, You would have known it. You know what is within myself, and I do not know what is within Yourself. Indeed, it is You who is Knower of the unseen.”

From these verses, it is evident that whoever wrote the Quran had a fundamental misunderstanding of the Christian doctrine of the Trinity. The Quran interprets the Trinity as consisting of Allah, Jesus, and Mary, which is simply not true.

No Christian denomination, including Roman Catholics, nor any sects, worship Mary as the third member of the Trinity. The Trinity in Christian doctrine is strictly understood as God the Father, God the Son (Jesus Christ), and God the Holy Spirit.

The Quran got it wrong.

The Quran is an untrustworthy source.

Islam is a false religion.

Why was Noah asked to built a Ark?

[Hope]

The Quran itself proves Islam is fake. Let’s look at one example shall we?

In the Quran, the Christian concept of the Trinity is addressed in several verses, particularly in Surah 4:171, Surah 5:73-74, and Surah 5:116. Here are the relevant excerpts:

Surah 4:171

O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, “Three”; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs.

Surah 5:73-74

They have certainly disbelieved who say, “Allah is the third of three.” And there is no god except one God. And if they do not desist from what they are saying, there will surely afflict the disbelievers among them a painful punishment. So will they not repent to Allah and seek His forgiveness? And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

Surah 5:116

And [beware the Day] when Allah will say, “O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, ‘Take me and my mother as deities besides Allah?’” He will say, “Exalted are You! It was not for me to say that to which I have no right. If I had said it, You would have known it. You know what is within myself, and I do not know what is within Yourself. Indeed, it is You who is Knower of the unseen.”

From these verses, it is evident that whoever wrote the Quran had a fundamental misunderstanding of the Christian doctrine of the Trinity. The Quran interprets the Trinity as consisting of Allah, Jesus, and Mary, which is simply not true.

No Christian denomination, including Roman Catholics, nor any sects, worship Mary as the third member of the Trinity. The Trinity in Christian doctrine is strictly understood as God the Father, God the Son (Jesus Christ), and God the Holy Spirit.

The Quran got it wrong.

The Quran is an untrustworthy source.

Islam is a false religion.

If Paul’s religion is true, Then the teachings of David, Moses and Abraham should be false as they never taught that God needed blood of a man

[Hope]

The Quran itself proves Islam is fake. Let’s look at one example shall we?

In the Quran, the Christian concept of the Trinity is addressed in several verses, particularly in Surah 4:171, Surah 5:73-74, and Surah 5:116. Here are the relevant excerpts:

Surah 4:171

O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, “Three”; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs.

Surah 5:73-74

They have certainly disbelieved who say, “Allah is the third of three.” And there is no god except one God. And if they do not desist from what they are saying, there will surely afflict the disbelievers among them a painful punishment. So will they not repent to Allah and seek His forgiveness? And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

Surah 5:116

And [beware the Day] when Allah will say, “O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, ‘Take me and my mother as deities besides Allah?’” He will say, “Exalted are You! It was not for me to say that to which I have no right. If I had said it, You would have known it. You know what is within myself, and I do not know what is within Yourself. Indeed, it is You who is Knower of the unseen.”

From these verses, it is evident that whoever wrote the Quran had a fundamental misunderstanding of the Christian doctrine of the Trinity. The Quran interprets the Trinity as consisting of Allah, Jesus, and Mary, which is simply not true.

No Christian denomination, including Roman Catholics, nor any sects, worship Mary as the third member of the Trinity. The Trinity in Christian doctrine is strictly understood as God the Father, God the Son (Jesus Christ), and God the Holy Spirit.

The Quran got it wrong.

The Quran is an untrustworthy source.

Islam is a false religion.

If Islam is false, 

Do you think 1.9 billions people are blind/ stupid ?

How can the people in Christian Constantinople accept Islam?In New Testament ,there are letters related to churches in current Muslims Turkey 😂
You are reading those in your churches 😁😁👍.but those Christian churches are no more in Turkey 😂

Oh in Levant, Persia?

[pinkpanther]

If Islam is false, 

Do you think 1.9 billions people are blind/ stupid ?

How can the people in Christian Constantinople accept Islam?In New Testament ,there are letters related to churches in current Muslims Turkey 😂
You are reading those in your churches 😁😁👍.but those Christian churches are no more in Turkey 😂

Ibn Kathir elaborates on this by explaining that the Christians elevated Jesus and his mother, Mary, to a status where they believed they were partners with Allah....He was wrong and so is the Quran...

[pinkpanther]

If you reject Islam based on trinity, you should reject Judaism as well(Torah, Psalm and Old Testament)
Jews not only rejected the trinity and also miraculous birth of Jesus.They even called him a son of a 😭

Both Jews and Muslims reject the trinity and believe in oneness’s of God.

If you reject Quran then reject the Old Testament

What the Old Testament attributes to the Law, the New Testament attributes to Christ. From now on, therefore, Jesus' followers are not required to fulfil the Law of Moses but the 'Law of Christ' (1 Cor. 9:21; Gal. 6:2).

Both Judaism and Christianity worship Yahweh...but Moslems worship Allah...ergo we reject the Quran...remember the end of days won't happen unless all Jews are dead according to the Hadith...Will they side with Islam? 

[pinkpanther]

In quran 5:73 those are declared disbelievers who believe in trinity.

My question is after mentioning trinity why does quran mentions the two persons as Jesus and Mary in 5:75. Now anyone would conclude from this that quran is assuming mary to be a part of Trinity.

I know though she is worshipped but what's the point of mentioning her in the context of quran 5:73? The Quran should instead mention The Holy Spirit..What is wrong with the Quran?

Problem is Mary's supposed divinity is stated within the context of referring directly to the trinity in the verses prior. The context is the trinity. Sorry, Quran5:71-78. Later from vs 110 it brings up jesus and Mary and how God showed them favour. This is a narrative/story of the food sent down as a sign that they are not "Gods", but merely rely on God...

Sorry but yeah the Quran just plainly gets it wrong it's arguing against a strawman. It's embarrassing historically to state that Christians referred to Mary as divine before Islam. It is of no weight if there is a heretical sect.

[Hope]

What the Old Testament attributes to the Law, the New Testament attributes to Christ. From now on, therefore, Jesus' followers are not required to fulfil the Law of Moses but the 'Law of Christ' (1 Cor. 9:21; Gal. 6:2).

Both Judaism and Christianity worship Yahweh...but Moslems worship Allah...ergo we reject the Quran...remember the end of days won't happen unless all Jews are dead according to the Hadith...Will they side with Islam? 

Jesus didn’t come to teach Indian and Chinese 🙈😜

Matthew 15: 24 “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”

[pinkpanther]

Jesus didn’t come to teach Indian and Chinese 🙈😜

Matthew 15: 24 “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”

His initial focus was on Israel and this statement does not indicate that Jesus only cared for the Jews. Throughout the Gospels, there are instances where Jesus reaches out to Gentiles (non-Jews), demonstrating that His message of salvation would eventually extend to all people. 

For example, the Great Commission in Matthew 28:19 instructs His followers to make disciples of all nations.