[pinkpanther]

Yes, he said it is not 100% reliable.

And today, you agree that it is not 100% reliable. We have made progress.

The question is: how unreliable is it?

Yes, New Testament scholar Daniel B. Wallace is well-known for advocating the reliability of the New Testament text. He argues that the New Testament text is reliable due to several factors, including the large number of extant manuscripts, their early dates, and the nature of textual variants. 

Here's a more detailed look at his perspective:
Extant Manuscripts:
Wallace emphasizes the sheer number of New Testament manuscripts discovered, including over 10,000 Latin manuscripts and 5,000 in other languages. These manuscripts, along with patristic quotations, provide ample evidence for the text's authenticity. 

Early Dates:
Many Greek manuscripts date to the second, third, and fourth centuries, which is within a relatively short timeframe after the New Testament's composition. 

Nature of Textual Variants:
Wallace acknowledges the existence of textual variants (minor differences between manuscripts), but he argues that the vast majority (99%) are insignificant and don't alter the meaning of the text. He points out that these variants are often related to spelling or word order, which doesn't affect the underlying message.

Patristic Quotations:
Wallace highlights the importance of quotations from ancient Christian leaders (the Church Fathers) in their writings, which can be used to reconstruct the text even if the original manuscripts were lost. 

Historicity and Reliability:
Wallace emphasizes that Christianity is based on historical events, and the New Testament's reliability is crucial for the faith's foundation. 
In essence, Wallace's position is that the New Testament text is highly reliable due to the extensive evidence supporting its authenticity, early transmission, and the insignificant nature of most
 textual variants.

[pinkpanther]

Thank you for choosing Wallace 

[Ali Imran]

Thank you for choosing Wallace 

Are you disputing my claim that Dan Wallace said the NT is not 100% reliable?

[Ali Imran]

Well according to Wallace..it is highly reliable...no scholars will give you a 100% certainty ..

The Muslims believe the Quran is 100% reliable.

[pinkpanther]

The Muslims believe the Quran is 100% reliable.

You are already on strike 3...

[Ali Imran]

As a matter of fact, it does affect salvation

If the Quran is considered to be created, it implies it has a beginning and end, and could potentially be viewed as being subject to human interpretation or change over time. 

If it's viewed as uncreated, it is seen as eternal, divine, and timeless, implying its guidance is absolute and unchanging. 

No, it does not affect salvation. It doesn't matter if we believe it is uncreated or created, or whether it has a beginning or not.

[pinkpanther]

No, it does not affect salvation. It doesn't matter if we believe it is uncreated or created, or whether it has a beginning or not.

If it is created, then it is not eternal and subjected to changes as Allah pleases...

[Hope]

https://www.isaandislam.com/muslim-belie...ima-allah/

Another Ahamadi website

[Ali Imran]

If it is created, then it is not eternal and subjected to changes as Allah pleases...

We are Muslims. We submit to Allah's will. That is key to salvation.

[Lukongsimi]

I agree! You took the words right out of my mouth. In the Bible the sin of unbelief is not simply failing to believe God; it's the deliberate choice not to believe what God has said. Unbelief is the willful rejection of God's revelation. The writer of Hebrews, quoting Psalm 95, describes this willful rejection of God's truth as a hardening of one's heart: Heb 3:7-9 Similarly, Paul says that unbelievers are "without excuse" because of their conscious choice to reject God's truth. (Rom 1:18,20)

To reject Christ is to be in a state of double jeopardy. Now not only has the Father been rejected but the Son as well. Thus every time the gospel is pronounced it bears a two-edged sword. To those who believe, it is the savor of glory. To those who reject, it is death. The gospel is God's gift of redemption for the lost. God sends Christ to give people an opportunity for redemption from the guilt they already have. If men reject Christ they face the double judgment of rejecting both the Father and the Son. Rejection of Christ brings a double judgment (2 Tim 4:1; Col 1:13-17).

Yes well said bro 👏

[pinkpanther]

Another Ahamadi website

https://muslimseekers.com/jesus-the-word-of-god-2/
You everything also Ahmadis

[pinkpanther]

Are you disputing my claim that Dan Wallace said the NT is not 100% reliable?

You want some cheap points ..I can give you that
When you have a high unreliable percentage then we can have an argument

[pinkpanther]

Yes well said bro 👏

Welcome back bro....pls take over

[Hope]

We are Muslims. We submit to Allah's will. That is key to salvation.

In Islam Salvation comes through purification of heart and soul in this life.

Who ever purifies their souls in this life be successful after life.

Christianity doesn’t emphasise the importance of purifying one’s soul.

The Quran mentions the purification of the heart as a command given to prophets like Moses


“Successful indeed is the one who purifies their soul,and doomed is the one who corrupts it!”Quran 91:9-10

“O believers! Do not follow the footsteps of Satan. Whoever follows Satan’s footsteps, then ˹let them know that˺ he surely bids ˹all to˺ immorality and wickedness. Had it not been for Allah’s grace and mercy upon you, none of you would have ever been purified. But Allah purifies whoever He wills. And Allah is All-Hearing, All-Knowing.”Quran 24:21


“No soul burdened with sin will bear the burden of another. And if a sin-burdened soul cries for help with its burden, none of it will be carried—even by a close relative. You ˹O Prophet˺ can only warn those who stand in awe of their Lord without seeing Him and establish prayer. Whoever purifies themselves, they only do so for their own good. And to Allah is the final return.”Quran 25:18

[pinkpanther]

In Islam Salvation comes through purification of heart and soul in this life.

Who ever purifies their souls in this life be successful after life.

Christianity doesn’t emphasise the importance of purifying one’s soul.



The Quran mentions the purification of the heart as a command given to prophets like Moses



“Successful indeed is the one who purifies their soul,
and doomed is the one who corrupts it!”
Quran 91:9-10

“O believers! Do not follow the footsteps of Satan. Whoever follows Satan’s footsteps, then ˹let them know that˺ he surely bids ˹all to˺ immorality and wickedness. Had it not been for Allah’s grace and mercy upon you, none of you would have ever been purified. But Allah purifies whoever He wills. And Allah is All-Hearing, All-Knowing.”Quran 24:21


“No soul burdened with sin will bear the burden of another. And if a sin-burdened soul cries for help with its burden, none of it will be carried—even by a close relative. You ˹O Prophet˺ can only warn those who stand in awe of their Lord without seeing Him1 and establish prayer. Whoever purifies themselves, they only do so for their own good. And to Allah is the final return.”Quran 25:18

Your friend says salvation comes from submitting to Allah's will and you said salvation comes from purification of heart and soul..

So who is Sunni and Shias among the 2 of you?

[Lukongsimi]

Welcome back bro....pls take over

Boring lah lol

We have done our part let God do the rest 

[Ali Imran]

Your friend says salvation comes from submitting to Allah's will and you said salvation comes from purification of heart and soul..

He is also correct. 

But first, you must submit to Allah's will before you can purify your heart and your soul. So, submission to Allah's will is key. 

Jesus also said the same in the Gospels, that his brothers are submitters to Allah's will.

[Hope]

Your friend says salvation comes from submitting to Allah's will and you said salvation comes from purification of heart and soul..

So who is Sunni and Shias among the 2 of you?

He is right.

Do you know how to purify your soul?

[pinkpanther]

He is right.

Do you know how to purify your soul?

So he provided half the answer and you provide the other half is it...

Pray lah..

[Hope]

So he provided half the answer and you provide the other half is it...

Pray lah..

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In Islam, purifying the soul, known as Tazkiyat al-Nafs or Self-Purification, involves cultivating a strong relationship with Allah and avoiding sins and negative traits. This process is about becoming more virtuous, righteous, and closer to God. 

Key aspects of soul purification in Islam: 

• Repentance and Seeking Forgiveness:
  Sins and mistakes should be addressed with sincere repentance, asking for forgiveness from Allah. 
  
  
• Remembering Allah:
  Constant remembrance of Allah through Dhikr (remembrance) and prayer is crucial. 
  
  
• Avoiding Sin and Prohibitions:
  Staying away from forbidden actions and behaviors is essential. 
  
  
• Doing Good Deeds:
  Performing acts of kindness, charity, and righteousness helps purify the soul. 
  
  
• Cultivating Good Character:
  Developing virtues like patience, honesty, and kindness is important. 
  
  
• Contemplation and Reflection:
  Reflecting on the signs of creation and pondering the meaning of life can deepen spiritual understanding. 
  
  
• Keeping Good Company:
  Associating with righteous individuals who encourage good behavior can be beneficial. 
  
  
• Sincerity and Avoiding Hypocrisy:
  Ensuring that actions are truly motivated by devotion to Allah, not for show or to please others. 
  
  
• Self-Accountability:
  Taking responsibility for one's actions and holding oneself to high moral standards. 
  
  
• Practice of Sunnah:
  Following the teachings and examples of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) in daily life. 
  

[Lukongsimi]

You think u able to purify your own soul with good deeds?
Lmao!

[Hope]

Boring lah lol

We have done our part let God do the rest 

Sorry to say .your God cannot do.

If your God can ,He should bring all your sect under one umbrella first 

Recently I learned that you have separate cemeteries for each of your sect

[Hope]

You think u able to purify your own soul with good deeds?
Lmao!

If you  follow the commands given to you, You can purify your soul.

[Lukongsimi]

The Hadith of 73 sects, attributed to Muhammad, states that Islam will be divided into 73 sects, with only one group destined for salvation. This hadith is commonly understood to mean that all but one of these sects will be in Hell.

How come your religion not only 1 sect?

So which sect are u in?

[Lukongsimi]

https://youtu.be/eVZPFWOfBxU

Interesting Islamic denominations wow!

[Hope]

The Hadith of 73 sects, attributed to Muhammad, states that Islam will be divided into 73 sects, with only one group destined for salvation. This hadith is commonly understood to mean that all but one of these sects will be in Hell.

How come your religion not only 1 sect?

So which sect are u in?

Are you referring to below Hadith?
In Islam all of the sects have same Allah, Quran,prophet, five pillars of Islam, six articles of faith.

In this Hadith, If says the main body will enter to heaven. Who are the main body? It should be so called Sunni .


HADITH
Sunan Ibn Majah 3992
It was narrated from ‘Awf bin Malik that the Messenger of Allah(ﷺ) said:
“The Jews split into seventy-one sects, one of which will be in Paradise and seventy in Hell. The Christians split into seventy-two sects, seventy-one of which will be in Hell and one in Paradise. I swear by the One Whose Hand is the soul of Muhammad, my nation will split into seventy-three sects, one of which will be in Paradise and seventy-two in Hell.” It was said: “O Messenger of Allah, who are they?” He said: “The main body.”

[Hope]

https://youtu.be/eVZPFWOfBxU

Interesting Islamic denominations wow!

In Islam all of the sects have same Allah, Quran,prophet, five pillars of Islam, six articles of faith.

What about this ?😂


https://youtu.be/tzLS4O7YaUg?si=GqsjbNWCHcRbEcrC

https://youtu.be/uSOieh0KH78?si=PWTy60_wmG5A6BtS

[Ali Imran]

The Hadith of 73 sects, attributed to Muhammad, states that Islam will be divided into 73 sects, with only one group destined for salvation. This hadith is commonly understood to mean that all but one of these sects will be in Hell.

How come your religion not only 1 sect?

So which sect are u in?

At least we know which to follow. Our Prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم told us to just follow his way and that is the assured way. That is why over 90% of the global Muslim population follows the ways of the Prophet. And the best part, we know exactly the way because of the authentic Hadith. It is still with us today.

Jesus pbuh said the one to come after him will stay with us. Prophet Muhammad's way (sunnah) is still with us today and it has been 1,400+ years already. We are still assured of his way, and we follow.

[Lukongsimi]

All lead to Same faith same belief!
Jesus Christ is the only way truth n life.
Yours still unsure..

[Ali Imran]

All lead to Same faith same belief!
Jesus Christ is the only way truth n life.
Yours still unsure..

Again, do you follow Jesus's way? No you don't.

And remember, Jesus said many of you will he chase away. Not a few, not some, but many.