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John. 6 Verses 53 to 56. [53] Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. [54] Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
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One of the 660 mosaic laws
24 saying, “Teacher, Moses said, u'If a man dies having no children, his brother must marry the widow and raise up offspring for his brother. ' 19 “Teacher, Moses wrote for us that mif a man's brother dies and leaves a wife, but leaves no child, the man 1 must take the widow and raise up offspring for his brother.
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(17-07-2025, 12:10 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: Did God say the covenant includes the descendants of Abraham?
No, Ishmael is not considered an Israelite. He is the son of Abraham and Hagar, and while he is considered a prophet in Islam, his lineage is separate from that of the Israelites, who are descendants of Abraham through his son Isaac and grandson Jacob (also known as Israel).
In the biblical narrative, while Ishmael is blessed and becomes the father of a great nation (the Ishmaelites), he is not chosen to be the heir of the Abrahamic covenant, which is passed down through his half-brother Isaac. God specifically designates Isaac as the son through whom the covenant promises will be fulfilled
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(17-07-2025, 09:29 PM)YAli Imran Wrote: The covenant wasn't made with Isaac. It was made with Abraham and extended to his descendants. That includes Ishmael.
In the biblical narrative, while Ishmael is blessed and becomes the father of a great nation (the Ishmaelites), he is not chosen to be the heir of the Abrahamic covenant, which is passed down through his half-brother Isaac. God specifically designates Isaac as the son through whom the covenant promises will be fulfilled
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(18-07-2025, 08:47 AM)Lukongsimi Wrote: In the biblical narrative, while Ishmael is blessed and becomes the father of a great nation (the Ishmaelites), he is not chosen to be the heir of the Abrahamic covenant, which is passed down through his half-brother Isaac. God specifically designates Isaac as the son through whom the covenant promises will be fulfilled
Pink and I were discussing the covenant of circumcision between God and Abraham, which was extended to Abraham's descendants, including Ishmael.
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(18-07-2025, 08:42 AM)Lukongsimi Wrote: No, Ishmael is not considered an Israelite. He is the son of Abraham and Hagar, and while he is considered a prophet in Islam, his lineage is separate from that of the Israelites, who are descendants of Abraham through his son Isaac and grandson Jacob (also known as Israel).
Yes, Ishmael wasn't an Israelite. Neither is Isaac.
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(17-07-2025, 10:41 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote: We are answering your questions n lies u made
Where got hostile?
Saying I lied without showing any proof means you're the liar.
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(17-07-2025, 10:36 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote: He cannot accept the truth lah.
No matter how many times the proof is shown to him.
lol
I will accept the truth.
When I said the Trinity verse was omitted from many modern Bibles, you said I was lying. Then I showed you proof, and you accepted it. Kudos to you.
I will do the same, accept the truth, if you can show me any truth that I didn't know, with a similar proof.
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(17-07-2025, 10:28 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: 
your imagination is superb lah..you know nothing yet you dare to make claims ...boy am I ashame of you...
we can still consult the many Christian authors who lived in the second and third centuries to see how they cited it. Below is a list of a few quotations.
There are quite a few baptisms in the book of Acts. None of them uses that formula as in Matthew 28:19.
If Jesus did command the baptism to be done using that formula, failing to do so would mean the baptism is invalid. But as we read in Acts, they were all done without that formula.
Acts 2:38
Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the holy spirit.
Acts 8:16
For it [the holy spirit] had not yet fallen upon any of them; they had simply been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Acts 10:47-48
“Surely no one can refuse the water for these to be baptized who have received the holy spirit just as we did, can he?” And he ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to stay on for a few days.
Acts 19:5-6
When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the holy spirit came on them, and they began speaking with tongues and prophesying.
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(17-07-2025, 10:22 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: The Quran doesnt say anything lah....it is so lacking in information but they can still come and say our Bible is corruoted 
We heard it from Bible scholars that the Bible is corrupted. They are not Muslims. So please do not attack us for it. Rebut your scholars if you want.
https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna44117239
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(17-07-2025, 10:04 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: OK then...don believe that Ishmael was blessed by God, he is not the father of any great nation...
God's Promise to Abraham:
In Genesis 17:18-20, God informs Abraham that He will bless Ishmael, despite the covenant being established with Isaac.
Don believe all of these because you are told not to believe in corrupted scriptures
What is pathetic is that the Quran has no records of all these info..not even on which son Abraham offered as a sacrifice
Is the Quran fully detailed? hats off to it
Why is it pathetic? Care to explain?
What is so important for us to know which son was chosen? To us, both Isaac and Ishmael were the sons of Abraham, both of them were great prophets of Allah. We don't exalt one over the other. Both are equally revered by us.
Peace and blessings be upon the prophets mentioned.
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(18-07-2025, 04:45 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: There are quite a few baptisms in the book of Acts. None of them uses that formula as in Matthew 28:19.
If Jesus did command the baptism to be done using that formula, failing to do so would mean the baptism is invalid. But as we read in Acts, they were all done without that formula.
Acts 2:38 Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the holy spirit.
Acts 8:16 For it [the holy spirit] had not yet fallen upon any of them; they had simply been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Acts 10:47-48 “Surely no one can refuse the water for these to be baptized who have received the holy spirit just as we did, can he?” And he ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to stay on for a few days.
Acts 19:5-6 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the holy spirit came on them, and they began speaking with tongues and prophesying.
Who was peter speaking to...the faithful Jewish people who already had an understanding of God the Father and God’s Spirit!!
The part of the equation they were missing was Jesus, the Son of God—and without Jesus, they could not be saved
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(18-07-2025, 04:51 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: We heard it from Bible scholars that the Bible is corrupted. They are not Muslims. So please do not attack us for it. Rebut your scholars if you want.
https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna44117239
Where in the article does it says that the Bible is corrupted?
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(18-07-2025, 04:32 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: Saying I lied without showing any proof means you're the liar.
I shown u
Many times that u lied n u kept quiet means u admitted u are a liar
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(18-07-2025, 04:51 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: We heard it from Bible scholars that the Bible is corrupted. They are not Muslims. So please do not attack us for it. Rebut your scholars if you want.
https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna44117239
It’s man correcting not God himself
Cursed are those who trusted in man
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(18-07-2025, 05:10 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote: I shown u
Many times that u lied n u kept quiet means u admitted u are a liar
You keep saying I'm lying but you never showed any proof.
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(18-07-2025, 04:34 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: I will accept the truth.
When I said the Trinity verse was omitted from many modern Bibles, you said I was lying. Then I showed you proof, and you accepted it. Kudos to you.
I will do the same, accept the truth, if you can show me any truth that I didn't know, with a similar proof.
The truth is in the ancient not the modern
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(18-07-2025, 04:57 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: Why is it pathetic? Care to explain?
What is so important for us to know which son was chosen? To us, both Isaac and Ishmael were the sons of Abraham, both of them were great prophets of Allah. We don't exalt one over the other. Both are equally revered by us.
Peace and blessings be upon the prophets mentioned.
The Quran claimed that it is fully detailed. However, readers seeking clarity about which son was sacrificed are left in the dark until the end.
When it comes to the crucifixion, It does not specify the identity of the innocent man made to resemble Jesus on the cross....it doesnt say anything about Allah perform His houdini act...
The Quran withholds this innocent's name and does not provide additional details about this individual. How can the Quran claim authority over previous scriptures when it omits plenty of crucial information?
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(18-07-2025, 05:08 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: Where in the article does it says that the Bible is corrupted?
In the 2nd paragraph, we read:
An ancient version of one book has an extra phrase. Another appears to have been revised to retroactively insert a prophecy after the events happened.
That alone is already a corruption.
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(18-07-2025, 04:45 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: There are quite a few baptisms in the book of Acts. None of them uses that formula as in Matthew 28:19.
If Jesus did command the baptism to be done using that formula, failing to do so would mean the baptism is invalid. But as we read in Acts, they were all done without that formula.
Acts 2:38 Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the holy spirit.
Acts 8:16 For it [the holy spirit] had not yet fallen upon any of them; they had simply been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Acts 10:47-48 “Surely no one can refuse the water for these to be baptized who have received the holy spirit just as we did, can he?” And he ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to stay on for a few days.
Acts 19:5-6 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the holy spirit came on them, and they began speaking with tongues and prophesying.
In the NAME
Of the Father son and Holy Spirit
The name is Jesus
Jesus and Father are one
Understood ?
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(18-07-2025, 05:14 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: You keep saying I'm lying but you never showed any proof.
Muhammad allowed lying under 3 conditions for moslens...that is the proof..
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(18-07-2025, 05:17 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: In the 2nd paragraph, we read:
An ancient version of one book has an extra phrase. Another appears to have been revised to retroactively insert a prophecy after the events happened.
That alone is already a corruption.
If u add extra salt to your curry chicken is it corrupted ?
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(18-07-2025, 05:15 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: The Quran claimed that it is fully detailed. However, readers seeking clarity about which son was sacrificed are left in the dark until the end.
When it comes to the crucifixion, It does not specify the identity of the innocent man made to resemble Jesus on the cross....it doesnt say anything about Allah perform His houdini act...
The Quran withholds this innocent's name and does not provide additional details about this individual. How can the Quran claim authority over previous scriptures when it omits plenty of crucial information?
Why is it important for us to know which son? The lesson is not about which son, but the obedience of Prophet Abraham pbuh to the commands of God, a lesson which is lost on you since you don't believe in obedience to God's command.
As for the crucifixion, why is it important for us to know exactly what happened? It is sufficient to know that God's beloved messenger was saved.
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(18-07-2025, 05:20 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote: If u add extra salt to your curry chicken is it corrupted ?
When someone added that Trinity verse, that is a corruption.
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The mocking inevitably starts when the two Christians here are losing the debate.
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(18-07-2025, 05:17 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: In the 2nd paragraph, we read:
An ancient version of one book has an extra phrase. Another appears to have been revised to retroactively insert a prophecy after the events happened.
That alone is already a corruption.
Which scholar from the article says that the bible is corrupted? That is a simple question...
What you explain to me can be fulfilled by leaving a footnote
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(18-07-2025, 05:14 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: You keep saying I'm lying but you never showed any proof.
U got kok eyes can’t read simple English lah
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(18-07-2025, 05:15 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote: The truth is in the ancient not the modern
In the ancient text, when it was written, there wasn't a Trinity verse. A few centuries later, someone added that Trinity verse.
The point is, you said I was lying. Now, you know I wasn't lying. Do you have the grace to say you're sorry for falsely accusing me?
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(18-07-2025, 05:23 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: The mocking inevitably starts when the two Christians here are losing the debate.
U lost Liao so cry is it?
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(18-07-2025, 05:26 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: In the ancient text, when it was written, there wasn't a Trinity verse. A few centuries later, someone added that Trinity verse.
The point is, you said I was lying. Now, you know I wasn't lying. Do you have the grace to say you're sorry for falsely accusing me?
U know nothing about the Bible lah
Your Koran u also need pink to direct u
What a shame lah
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