Scripture readings for Christmas

(20-05-2025, 09:11 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  But Jesus also never say that He is the messiah or the kalimathu in the Quran...why did the Quran give Him these titles if He never claim to have it?

Allah says Jesus is the Messiah. We believe without doubt. We don't need Jesus to tell us that he is the Messiah.

Do you doubt that Jesus is the Messiah?
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(20-05-2025, 09:10 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  SimTan and I have never argued about the Father being God. Why? Because there are clear and unambiguous statements of the Father saying He is God. But we argue non-stop about Jesus being God because Jesus never once uttered the words "I am God".

How come none of the disciples preached to the people that Jesus is God? Even Paul didn't do that.

Paul never refer to Jesus as God or lord? You may need to retract the last paragraph...
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(20-05-2025, 09:13 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Allah says Jesus is the Messiah. We believe without doubt. We don't need Jesus to tell us that he is the Messiah.

Do you doubt that Jesus is the Messiah?

Oh Allah says and you believe ...
So when the Father says Jesus is God..we also don need Jesus to say He is God...
We believe

You believe in what Allah said,
We believe in what the Father said of His son...
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(20-05-2025, 09:18 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Oh Allah says and you believe ...
So when the Father says Jesus is God..we also don need Jesus to say He is God...
We believe

The Father also said the judges are Gods. Do you now have more than 3 Gods?
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(20-05-2025, 09:20 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  The Father also said the judges are Gods. Do you now have more than 3 Gods?

My memory abit short ..which verses are you referring?
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(20-05-2025, 09:16 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Paul never refer to Jesus as God or lord? You may need to retract the last paragraph...

Paul made a distinction between the Father, who is God, and Jesus, who is Lord.
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(20-05-2025, 09:20 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  The Father also said the judges are Gods. Do you now have more than 3 Gods?

Metaphorically is it
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(20-05-2025, 09:23 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  My memory abit short ..which verses are you referring?

Psalm 82:6, if I'm not mistaken.
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(20-05-2025, 09:24 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Metaphorically is it

Ok. If you want to go with that, I'd go along.
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(20-05-2025, 09:24 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Psalm 82:6, if I'm not mistaken.

Psalm 82:6 states, "I have said, 'You are gods, sons of the Most High, all of you; nevertheless, like men you shall die, and fall like any prince.'" 

The word "Gods" is used in a metaphorical sense
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(20-05-2025, 09:23 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Paul made a distinction between the Father, who is God, and Jesus, who is Lord.

Really?
 Titus 2:13 speaks about the expectation of believers in the "blessed hope" and the "glorious appearing of the great God and our Savior Jesus Christ."
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(20-05-2025, 09:26 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Psalm 82:6 states, "I have said, 'You are gods, sons of the Most High, all of you; nevertheless, like men you shall die, and fall like any prince.'" 

The word "Gods" is used in a metaphorical sense

Show me where the Father said Jesus is God.
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(20-05-2025, 09:23 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Paul made a distinction between the Father, who is God, and Jesus, who is Lord.

Romans 9:5 states, "To them belong the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ, who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen."
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(20-05-2025, 09:30 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Show me where the Father said Jesus is God.

I have enough of you and Hope ..how many times must I show ..Hebrews 1:8
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(20-05-2025, 09:29 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  Really?
 Titus 2:13 speaks about the expectation of believers in the "blessed hope" and the "glorious appearing of the great God and our Savior Jesus Christ."

Is that metaphoric God?
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(20-05-2025, 09:34 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  I have enough of you and Hope ..how many times must I show ..Hebrews 1:8

Is that a metaphoric God?
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(20-05-2025, 09:34 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  Is that a metaphoric God?

There are many verses from the Father to support my case..you can do some research as well

I listed quite a few verses a few days back pertaining to what the Father said of the Son
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There are many verses in the Bible that shows Jesus is God n was posted here numerous times 
The Moslem cannot believe it because if he believe them his Koran will be corrupted 
So in order to win the race he has to be blind n deaf simple as that!
We also worship one God Father Son and Holy Spirit are one.
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 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(20-05-2025, 09:41 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  There are many verses from the Father to support my case..you can do some research as well

The Father already said, "I ALONE am Lord. Beside me, there is no other" 

Is that explicit?
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(20-05-2025, 09:41 AM)pinkpanther Wrote:  There are many verses from the Father to support my case..you can do some research as well

I listed quite a few verses a few days back pertaining to what the Father said of the Son

The Father said Moses is God. 

Is that metaphoric?
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(20-05-2025, 09:43 AM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  There are many verses in the Bible that shows Jesus is God n was posted here numerous times 
The Moslem cannot believe it because if he believe them his Koran will be corrupted 
So in order to win the race he has to be blind n deaf simple as that!
We also worship one God Father Son and Holy Spirit are one.
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Show me anywhere in the Bible where any of the previous prophets ever taught their people that God is the Father, the Son, and they Holy Spirit and the 3 are one.
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Already show u
Go n goggle n find it yourself if u don’t believe
You Very nagging old man
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 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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Do not cast your pearls to the swine lest he tramples it down and chase after you
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 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(20-05-2025, 09:48 AM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  Already show  u
Go n goggle n find it yourself if u don’t believe
You Very nagging old man
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Show me anywhere in the Bible where God is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, and these 3 are 1. There is none. This is the argument made by the Unitarian Christians. 

The Trinitarians then, in the 15th century, decided to forge a verse which explicitly defines the Trinity and put it in the Bible. They did that to silence the Unitarians. They made up a verse to win the debate. 

Today, that verse has been removed from most Bibles, except the KJV.
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And u worship 2 in one
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 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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Saw the jizya law utube horrible and wicked !
Dare to discipline us?
U r a bully and gangster !
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 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(20-05-2025, 09:45 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  The Father said Moses is God. 

Is that metaphoric?

But the Father did not say that
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Their religion is to attack and bully
One day if he never attacks us means he already Kong Kah keow liao

 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him" (Proverbs 26:4)
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(20-05-2025, 09:43 AM)Ali Imran Wrote:  The Father already said, "I ALONE am Lord. Beside me, there is no other" 

Is that explicit?

we believe in one God, the one God that exists eternally as three persons...Father, Son, and Holy Spirit
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(20-05-2025, 09:54 AM)Lukongsimi Wrote:  And u worship 2 in one
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Your friend already posted some information about Islam being a strict monotheism. You should refer to him.
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