[pinkpanther]

When it is the supernatural in the Bible, you believe. But when it is the supernatural in the Quran, you demand proof.

You're unbelievable.

You said there is no contradiction...I only ask you to show me the proof but you can't ..and you are going to my bible to question me..

You make a claim..I question you .
Instead of answering me honestly, you threw back the question to me ..what a waste of time

[cheekopekman]

I neither believe nor disbelieve. 

But Pink can believe in the supernatural in the Bible, but if it is in the Quran, he demands scientific proof.

We call that a double standard.

I like your honesty lah, Ali my friend!  When I was a non-Christian like you, I also didn't believe everything about the Bible and Jesus lah! I even challenged them to show me where's Jesus otherwise I won't believe lah!

[pinkpanther]

Please show me where I have made a lie.

You lied that there are no contradictions in the Quran ...infact many have brought it up on the contradictions in the Quran....

[Ali Imran]

You said there is no contradiction...I only ask you to show me the proof but you can't ..and you are going to my bible to question me..

You make a claim..I question you .
Instead of answering me honestly, you threw back the question to me ..what a waste of time

There is no contradiction in the Quran.

And then you bring a verse from the Quran talking about supernatural stuff. And then you demand scientific proof and if I can't give you scientific proof, you call it a contradiction.

Are you even listening to yourself?

[Ali Imran]

You lied that there are no contradictions in the Quran ...infact many have brought it up on the contradictions in the Quran....

So far, you have not been able to show a single contradiction in the Quran. Your latest attempt is pathetic.

[pinkpanther]

You can believe in the devil in the Bible but you demand proof of the devil in the Quran.

Do you know what is double standard?

You make a claim that there is no contradictions in the Quran...not me! You can attack on my double standard once we clear this matter..

[Ali Imran]

You make a claim that there is no contradictions in the Quran...not me! You can attack on my double standard once we clear this matter..

If science can prove there is no devil, then you can call it a contradiction.

[pinkpanther]

There is no contradiction in the Quran.

And then you bring a verse from the Quran talking about supernatural stuff. And then you demand scientific proof and if I can't give you scientific proof, you call it a contradiction.

Are you even listening to yourself?

Ok..forget science then...prove to me that the shooting stars are targeting the devil in any sense.
Treat me as a free thinker..convince me that this verse will lead me to convert to a moslem..

You gave your best shot at the muddy spring...give me a good explanation then

[pinkpanther]

If science can prove there is no devil, then you can call it a contradiction.

If you like to say that..then the Quran does not need to prove any claims... because there is absolutely no contradictions

[Ali Imran]

Ok..forget science then...prove to me that the shooting stars are targeting the devil in any sense.
Treat me as a free thinker..convince me that this verse will lead me to convert to a moslem..

You gave your best shot at the muddy spring...give me a good explanation then

Prove to me that Jesus cast devils into pigs.

[pinkpanther]

I harbor no ill will towards you, but I will not continue to pursue this topic any further...you are right.. there is absolutely no contradictions in the Quran

[pinkpanther]

Prove to me that Jesus cast devils into pigs.

 Do you need God to prove to you He is God

[Ali Imran]

 Do you need God to prove to you He is God

There, you cannot prove the supernatural in the Bible. So why are you asking me to prove the supernatural in the Quran?

[Ali Imran]

I harbor no ill will towards you, but I will not continue to pursue this topic any further...you are right.. there is absolutely no contradictions in the Quran

Neither do I harbor any towards you.

The reason why you don't want to continue this topic is that you have now realized you're being irrational.

[pinkpanther]

There, you cannot prove the supernatural in the Bible. So why are you asking me to prove the supernatural in the Quran?

You can still see shooting stars you know..  what we cant see is the devil running away from these missiles..

[Ali Imran]

You can still see shooting stars you know..  what we cant see is the devil running away from these missiles..

You can see pigs ...

I don't even need to continue that sentence.

[pinkpanther]

You can see pigs ...

I don't even need to continue that sentence.

These are miracle acts.. miracles happen in life ..do you need to prove miracles?

[pinkpanther]

Neither do I harbor any towards you.

The reason why you don't want to continue this topic is that you have now realized you're being irrational.

When did you become a psychiatrist? I have work and my air con is down.

[Ali Imran]

These are miracle acts.. miracles happen in life ..do you need to prove miracles?

But you asked me to prove a miracle of God?

[pinkpanther]

But you asked me to prove a miracle of God?

Is that a miracle from God?
We know shooting stars are space dust and tiny rocks entering the earths atmosphere and they only become ablaze as they enter the earth.

 By this logic, this would render the statement in the Quran untrue and hence conclude that Quran could not be the Word of God....

Come on my friend, yesterday you said you are using intellect to determine the truth...today what are you using to detemine the truth? That is double standards for you

I do not need to be a scholar to know simple stuff

[Ali Imran]

Is that a miracle from God?
We know shooting stars are space dust and tiny rocks entering the earths atmosphere and they only become ablaze as they enter the earth.

 By this logic, this would render the statement in the Quran untrue and hence conclude that Quran could not be the Word of God....

Come on my friend, yesterday you said you are using intellect to determine the truth...today what are you using to detemine the truth? That is double standards for you

I do not need to be a scholar to know simple stuff

First, you don't know what that verse is talking about. You read the English translation but you didn't check with our scholars what it means. You read from some anti-Islm website and you immediately believe them.

Why don't you ask first next time.

Now, would you like to know what that verse 67:5 means? Here, I will give you a rendering of that verse from a Jewish scholar.

And, indeed, We have adorned the skies nearest to the earth with lights, and have made them the object of futile guesses for the evil ones [from among men]

[Lukongsimi]

When old man stands at the judgement seat of God 
I wonder will he demands that God prove himself  as God 
When he is gg to be thrown into the darkness will he screams “prove the pit is deep”?

[Ali Imran]

When old man stands at the judgement seat of God 
I wonder will he demands that God prove himself  as God 
When he is gg to be thrown into the darkness will he screams “prove the pit is deep”?

Why are you so gullible?

[pinkpanther]

First, you don't know what that verse is talking about. You read the English translation but you didn't check with our scholars what it means. You read from some anti-Islm website and you immediately believe them.

Why don't you ask first next time.

Now, would you like to know what that verse 67:5 means? Here, I will give you a rendering of that verse from a Jewish scholar.

And, indeed, We have adorned the skies nearest to the earth with lights, and have made them the object of futile guesses for the evil ones [from among men]

Oh finally you are willing to come out and clarify.
I don care for your Jewish rendition...all of those translated ones are the same right or you tell me which one is the real word of God..

And indeed, We adorned the lowest heaven with ˹stars like˺ lamps, and made them ˹as missiles˺ for stoning ˹eavesdropping˺ devils, for whom We have also prepared the torment of the Blaze.

Do you need a scholar to interpret this? There is a Hadith on this too ..

https://quran.com/al-mulk/5

[Ali Imran]

Oh finally you are willing to come out and clarify.
I don care for your Jewish rendition...all of those translated ones are the same right or you tell me which one is the real word of God..

And indeed, We adorned the lowest heaven with ˹stars like˺ lamps, and made them ˹as missiles˺ for stoning ˹eavesdropping˺ devils, for whom We have also prepared the torment of the Blaze.

Do you need a scholar to interpret this? There is a Hadith on this too ..

https://quran.com/al-mulk/5

Even if you want to take your rendering, why do you want to question the miracles of God? Why do you question the supernatural in the Quran when you believe the supernatural in the Bible? And even if you don't believe the supernatural in the Quran, how is it a contradiction? Is there a verse in the Quran that contradicts that verse?

Let me show you a contradiction within the Bible. Below you will see a verse that says no man has seen God and another verse that says a man has seen God face to face. 

“… I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.” — Genesis 32:30
“No man hath seen God at any time…”– John 1:18

[pinkpanther]

Even if you want to take your rendering, why do you want to question the miracles of God? Why do you question the supernatural in the Quran when you believe the supernatural in the Bible? And even if you don't believe the supernatural in the Quran, how is it a contradiction? Is there a verse in the Quran that contradicts that verse?

Let me show you a contradiction within the Bible. Below you will see a verse that says no man has seen God and another verse that says a man has seen God face to face. 

“… I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.” — Genesis 32:30
“No man hath seen God at any time…”– John 1:18

I'm glad you ask..No one can see God in all his glory. This is what this is referring..Abrahim also saw God in His physical human form

[Ali Imran]

I'm glad you ask..No one can see God in all his glory. This is what this is referring..Abrahim also saw God in a physical form

That again is your spin. The verse didn't say that.

And also, to say Abraham saw God will also contradict the verse that says the entire universe cannot contain God.

[pinkpanther]

That again is your spin. The verse didn't say that.

And also, to say Abraham saw God will also contradict the verse that says the entire universe cannot contain God.

That is not a spin! Some people said Muhammad saw God but He did not...there was a veil in between. Why?

[pinkpanther]

Ibn Taymiyyah Harrani in the book "Bayan Talbis Al-Jahmiyyah in the Establishment of Badahm Al-Kalamiya" writes:

As in the correct hadith (i.e. from the Prophet) on the authority of Qatadah on the authority of Ikrimah on the authority of Ibn Abbas who said: The Prophet, may God bless him and grant him peace, said: "I saw my Lord in the form of a young man who still had no hair on his face and the hair on his head was curly."

« فی الحدیث الصحیح المرفوع عن قتادة عن عکرمة عن ابن عباس قال قال رسول الله صلى الله علیه وسلم رأیت ربی فی صورة شاب أمرد له وفرة جعد قطط فی روضة خضراء ؛

بیان تلبیس الجهمیة فی تأسیس بدعهم الکلامیة ، ج 7، ص 290


وهذا الحديث من هذا الطريق صححه جمعٌ من أهل العلم، منهم:

الإمام أحمد المنتخب من علل الخلال: ص282، وإبطال التأويلات لأبي يعلى 1/139

وأبو زرعة الرازي إبطال التأويلات لأبي يعلى 1/144

والطبراني إبطال التأويلات لأبي يعلى 1/143

وأبو الحسن بن بشار إبطال التأويلات 1/ 142، 143، 222

وأبو يعلى في إبطال التأويلات 1/ 141، 142، 143

وابن صدقة إبطال التأويلات 1/144 تلبيس الجهمية 7 /225

وابن تيمية في بيان تلبيس الجهمية 7/290، 356 طبعة مجمع الملك فهد لطباعة المصحف الشريف- 1426هـ

This hadith through this chain has been declared sahih by a group of scholars, including:

Imam Ahmad (al-Muntakhab min 'Ilal al-Khalal, p. 282; and Ibtal al-Tawilat of Abu Ya'la 1/139)

Abu Zur'ah al-Razi (Ibtal al-Tawilat of Abu Ya'la 1/144)

Al-Tabarani (Ibtal al-Tawilat of Abu Ya'la 1/143)

Abu al-Hasan b. Bashar (Ibtal al-Tawilat 1/142, 143, 222)

Ibn Sadaqah (Ibtal al-Tawilat 1/144) (Talbis al-Jahmiyyah 7/225)

Ibn Taymiyyah in Bayan Talbis al-Jahmiyyah 7/290, 356 - printed by King Fahd Complex for the Publication of the Noble Mushaf, 1426 H)

[pinkpanther]

Ibn Taymiyyah Harrani in the book "Bayan Talbis Al-Jahmiyyah in the Establishment of Badahm Al-Kalamiya" writes:

As in the correct hadith (i.e. from the Prophet) on the authority of Qatadah on the authority of Ikrimah on the authority of Ibn Abbas who said: The Prophet, may God bless him and grant him peace, said: "I saw my Lord in the form of a young man who still had no hair on his face and the hair on his head was curly."

« فی الحدیث الصحیح المرفوع عن قتادة عن عکرمة عن ابن عباس قال قال رسول الله صلى الله علیه وسلم رأیت ربی فی صورة شاب أمرد له وفرة جعد قطط فی روضة خضراء ؛

بیان تلبیس الجهمیة فی تأسیس بدعهم الکلامیة ، ج 7، ص 290


وهذا الحديث من هذا الطريق صححه جمعٌ من أهل العلم، منهم:

الإمام أحمد المنتخب من علل الخلال: ص282، وإبطال التأويلات لأبي يعلى 1/139

وأبو زرعة الرازي إبطال التأويلات لأبي يعلى 1/144

والطبراني إبطال التأويلات لأبي يعلى 1/143

وأبو الحسن بن بشار إبطال التأويلات 1/ 142، 143، 222

وأبو يعلى في إبطال التأويلات 1/ 141، 142، 143

وابن صدقة إبطال التأويلات 1/144 تلبيس الجهمية 7 /225

وابن تيمية في بيان تلبيس الجهمية 7/290، 356 طبعة مجمع الملك فهد لطباعة المصحف الشريف- 1426هـ

This hadith through this chain has been declared sahih by a group of scholars, including:

Imam Ahmad (al-Muntakhab min 'Ilal al-Khalal, p. 282; and Ibtal al-Tawilat of Abu Ya'la 1/139)

Abu Zur'ah al-Razi (Ibtal al-Tawilat of Abu Ya'la 1/144)

Al-Tabarani (Ibtal al-Tawilat of Abu Ya'la 1/143)

Abu al-Hasan b. Bashar (Ibtal al-Tawilat 1/142, 143, 222)

Ibn Sadaqah (Ibtal al-Tawilat 1/144) (Talbis al-Jahmiyyah 7/225)

Ibn Taymiyyah in Bayan Talbis al-Jahmiyyah 7/290, 356 - printed by King Fahd Complex for the Publication of the Noble Mushaf, 1426 H)

Does this contradict your beliefs? If Gabriel can take on human form, is Allah not capable to do so?