[pinkpanther]

Jesus pbuh said the one to come after him will stay with us. Prophet Muhammad's way (sunnah) is still with us today and it has been 1,400+ years already. We are still assured of his way, and we follow.

Where did Jesus say that? The Injil?

[Lukongsimi]

Argue till end world u also not sure which is true path.
Waste time.
Watch my Christian preaching better
Bye u Two can talk to each other
I know u need desperately to have christians to attack.
Praise the Lord

[Ali Imran]

Where did Jesus say that? The Injil?

In the NT, the Gospels.

[Hope]

All lead to Same faith same belief!
Jesus Christ is the only way truth n life.
Yours still unsure..

We are sure he is not the God.
He was a messenger only.

Not all the faith lead to God who created this universe  and gave scriptures to mankind.

[pinkpanther]

In the NT, the Gospels.

Quran approved the NT? Jesus did not mention by name that Muhammad will come after him...

Do you mean the Holy spirit?

[pinkpanther]

We are sure he is not the God.
He was a messenger only.

Not all the faith lead to God who created this universe  and given scriptures to mankind.

Do you believe the Injil was given to the Christians?

[Lukongsimi]

Where did Jesus say that? The Injil?

Back to u 😂

[Ali Imran]

Quran approved the NT? Jesus did not mention by name that Muhammad will come after him...

Do you mean the Holy spirit?

No, the Quran never mention the NT.

How do you know Jesus did not mention the prophet to come after him? If he didn't do that, that means he didn't know of the man who taught billions of people after him (Jesus) to honor him (Jesus) and his mother.

[Ali Imran]

Do you believe the Injil was given to the Christians?

The Injeel was given to Jesus, who relayed it to his followers, the children of Israel.

[Hope]

Argue till end world u also not sure which is true path.
Waste time.
Watch my Christian preaching better
Bye u Two can talk to each other
I know u need desperately to have christians to attack.
Praise the Lord

We don’t attack Christian. We just want to share our belief about Jesus.

True path is Islam.

Islam in arabic means submission to one true God who created this universe and gave scriptures to mankind.

Those scriptures are
Scrolls-Sufu
Torah-Tawrat
Psalm-Sabur 
Gospel-Injeel 
Quran-Quran/ Furkhan

With the final Testament Quran and the Final Messenger Muhammad , religion of Islam for humanity was completed 1400 years ago



“Today I have perfected your faith for you, completed My favour upon you, and chosen Islam as your way……..”Quran 5:3

“Whoever seeks a way other than Islam,it will never be accepted from them, and in the Hereafter they will be among the losers”Quran 3:85

[pinkpanther]

The Injeel was given to Jesus, who relayed it to his followers, the children of Israel.

Q7:157
Sahih International
Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered prophet, whom they find written in what they have of the Torah and the Gospel, who enjoins upon them what is right and forbids them what is wrong and makes lawful for them the good things and prohibits for them the evil and relieves them of their burden and the shackles which were upon them. So they who have believed in him, honored him, supported him and followed the light which was sent down with him - it is those who will be the successful.

So can we confirm that the Injil was relayed by Jesus and was written down and read by the christians back then

[pinkpanther]

Time to sleep ..I will deal with both of you tomorrow

[Ali Imran]

Q7:157
Sahih International
Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered prophet, whom they find written in what they have of the Torah and the Gospel, who enjoins upon them what is right and forbids them what is wrong and makes lawful for them the good things and prohibits for them the evil and relieves them of their burden and the shackles which were upon them. So they who have believed in him, honored him, supported him and followed the light which was sent down with him - it is those who will be the successful.

So can we confirm that the Injil was relayed by Jesus and was written down and read by the christians back then

I showed you two verses of the Gospels in the NT. One from Mark, and another from Matthew.

Which one is the correct one?

[Hope]

Do you believe the Injil was given to the Christians?

Allah didn’t name the followers of Torah and Injeel as Jews and Christian.You have named it yourself.

As per Quran, The followers of Torah , Injeel and Quran are Muslims.

Muslim means submitting to true God who created this universe and gave scriptures to mankind.

Jesus came to Israelites 


“Remember˺ when the angels proclaimed, “O Mary! Allah gives you good news of a Word from Him, his name will be the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary; honoured in this world and the Hereafter, and he will be one of those nearest ˹to Allah˺.

And he will speak to people in ˹his˺ infancy and adulthood and will be one of the righteous.”

Mary wondered, “My Lord! How can I have a child when no man has ever touched me?” An angel replied, “So will it be. Allah creates what He wills. When He decrees a matter, He simply tells it, ‘Be!’ And it is!

And Allah will teach him writing and wisdom, the Torah and the Gospel,

and ˹make him˺ a messenger to the Children of Israel ˹to proclaim,˺ ‘I have come to you with a sign from your Lord: I will make for you a bird from clay, breathe into it, and it will become a ˹real˺ bird—by Allah’s Will. I will heal the blind and the leper and raise the dead to life—by Allah’s Will. And I will prophesize what you eat and store in your houses. Surely in this is a sign for you if you ˹truly˺ believe.

And I will confirm the Torah revealed before me and legalize some of what had been forbidden to you. I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, so be mindful of Allah and obey me.

Surely Allah is my Lord and your Lord. So worship Him ˹alone˺. This is the Straight Path.’”

Quran 3:45-51

[Hope]

Quran approved the NT? Jesus did not mention by name that Muhammad will come after him...

Do you mean the Holy spirit?

https://youtu.be/EGZ2RibrJtc?si=vP08OVSHy13S29GF

https://youtu.be/RRlhH3_iedU?si=X8LXawaBQyAvURCC

[S I M T A N]

Hi SimTan.

It seems you didn't understand the argument, so let me repeat it.

For more than a thousand years, sinners were saved if they repented, sought God's forgiveness, made amends, and obeyed the commandments. If they do that, all their sins will be erased.

How come there is a sudden change when Paul came along? How come God could no longer just erase sins? How come God suddenly needs to do his "justice" by punishing an innocent man in the place of the sinners?

Don't tell me you still remain ignorant of the manner in which God forgives our sins even after being engaged in dialogue with Christians over the decades. No, you're not ignorant but have steadfastly rejected the one provision God has made for the forgiveness of our sins. The consistent message of Jesus, the apostles, and all the New Testament writers is clear: there's no other way and there's no other name through which we can be saved other than Jesus Christ. Take away the Scriptures and you take away Christ. Take away Christ and you take away life.

It's the cross of the N T that reveals the most violent and mysterious outpouring of the wrath of God that we find anywhere in Scripture. Here an innocent man does suffer but only after He willingly takes upon Himself, by imputation, the sins of the world. Without this act of wrath there's no grace. But it's precisely through this act of wrath that grace is made available.

The OT, despite its manifestations of the wrath of God, remains a history of God's grace and long-suffering with a rebellious people. If we compare the law of the O T with the law of creation, we see not the cruelty of God but the mercy of God. In creation all sin against God is regarded as a capital offence. Any sin against a perfectly holy and righteous God will culminate in death. Thus the O T law represents a massive reduction of capital crimes that reveals not the bloodthirsty vengeance of an angry God, but the long-suffering mercy of a holy and loving God.

The reason why you fail to see the urgency of the need of grace through Christ is because you operate with a wholly different system from ours. Yours is a do-it-yourelf, do-gooding version that needs no divine redemption. That's one of the most common distortions of our faith.

[S I M T A N]

Intentionally killing babies and children is a fair game in a war?
I know where you get that standard.

From all points of view, the deliberate killing of defenseless civilians is especially heinous, morally indefensible, and constitutes a war crime. Civilian casualties are an inescapable consequence of war. But you need to have evidence to prove the perpetrators' guilt and that the civilians weren't killed in the crossfire during the battle. Otherwise, you lay yourself open to criticism for being a jaundiced critic with an ax to grind.

[Ali Imran]

The reason why you fail to see the urgency of the need of grace through Christ is because you operate with a wholly different system from ours. Yours is a do-it-yourelf, do-gooding version that needs no divine redemption. That's one of the most common distortions of our faith.

You have admitted that you know nothing about Islam. So let me tell you.

In Islam, we seek God's mercy and turn to him in repentance. God is most merciful and most forgiving. Yes, we have to "do it ourselves", meaning we cannot expect somebody else to come and do it for us, or pay for us. We have to seek his forgiveness sincerely.

We have to be responsible for our own actions. If we do wrong, we must admit it and make amends. We cannot expect somebody else to come and pay for our sins. Christianity is different in that sense, where you can expect somebody else to come and pay for your mistakes. It doesn't teach you to be responsible adults.

[Ali Imran]

From all points of view, the deliberate killing of defenseless civilians is especially heinous, morally indefensible, and constitutes a war crime. Civilian casualties are an inescapable consequence of war. But you need to have evidence to prove the perpetrators' guilt and that the civilians weren't killed in the crossfire during the battle. Otherwise, you lay yourself open to criticism for being a jaundiced critic with an ax to grind.

Yes, the many doctors at hospitals in Gaza have reported children and babies killed by sniper fire. The Jews have been given the go-ahead by their leaders to kill children and infants when Netanyahu quoted the book of Numbers, where the God of the Bible, whom you believe is also Jesus, ordered the killing of women, children, and infants.

And yes, it is a war crime. That is why the leaders in Israel have been indicted by the International Court of Justice for war crimes.

The sad part is, two Christians here, LKSM and the threadstarter, have justified the killing of children and infants.

[Hope]

Q7:157
Sahih International
Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered prophet, whom they find written in what they have of the Torah and the Gospel, who enjoins upon them what is right and forbids them what is wrong and makes lawful for them the good things and prohibits for them the evil and relieves them of their burden and the shackles which were upon them. So they who have believed in him, honored him, supported him and followed the light which was sent down with him - it is those who will be the successful.

So can we confirm that the Injil was relayed by Jesus and was written down and read by the christians back then

As per this Quran verse Allah taught Jesus the wisdom,Writing, Torah and the Gospel.

“And Allah will teach him writing and wisdom, the Torah and the Gospel,” Quran 3:48

So, Do you think Jesus who was intelligent and literate needed someone to write on his behalf ?

Jesus came thousand years after Torah.Allah taught the original Torah to him.Did Jesus or NT writers have the knowledge of original Torah?

So Jesus should have written or supervised the writing during his life time.Where is his Gospel?

[Ali Imran]

The OT, despite its manifestations of the wrath of God, remains a history of God's grace and long-suffering with a rebellious people. If we compare the law of the O T with the law of creation, we see not the cruelty of God but the mercy of God. In creation all sin against God is regarded as a capital offence. Any sin against a perfectly holy and righteous God will culminate in death. Thus the O T law represents a massive reduction of capital crimes that reveals not the bloodthirsty vengeance of an angry God, but the long-suffering mercy of a holy and loving God.

You said "Any sin against a perfectly holy and righteous God will culminate in death". What you're saying is that the God of the NT doesn't differentiate between minor and major sins. That is an unreasonable and unjust God. Who painted that picture of an unreasonable and unjust God for you? Yes, Paul of Tarsus.

Prophet Ezekiel spoke of a forgiving God who will erase our sins if we sincerely repent and seek His forgiveness, ergo a most forgiving God. That is how we can know Paul was giving false information about God. That is why he was opposed by the disciples of Jesus. And that is probably why he was put to death, for giving false information about God.

[Hope]

No, the Quran never mention the NT.

How do you know Jesus did not mention the prophet to come after him? If he didn't do that, that means he didn't know of the man who taught billions of people after him (Jesus) to honor him (Jesus) and his mother.

Like God Jesus didn’t know the hour, He didn’t know the prophet and a nation after him!

Only Muslim honour Jesus , not even Christian.

“(Remember)˺ when the angels proclaimed, “O Mary! Allah gives you good news of a Word from Him, his name will be the Messiah,Jesus, son of Mary; honoured in this world and the Hereafter, and he will be one of those nearest ˹to Allah˺.”Quran 3:45

Names and Titles of Jesus 

Isa-Salvation of  God
Isa ibn Maryam- Son of Mary
Masih-Anointed one,Who cures by caressing 
Ruhu Minhu-Sprit of Allah
Gullama zakiwa-Pure boy
Kalimat Allah-Word of Allah 
Ayah-sign
Wajih-Honourable

[pinkpanther]

As per this Quran verse Allah taught Jesus the wisdom,Writing, Torah and the Gospel.

“And Allah will teach him writing and wisdom, the Torah and the Gospel,” Quran 3:48

So, Do you think Jesus who was intelligent and literate needed someone to write on his behalf ?

Jesus came thousand years after Torah.Allah taught the original Torah to him.Did Jesus or NT writers have the knowledge of original Torah?

So Jesus should have written or supervised the writing during his life time.Where is his Gospel?

Pls see highlighted in bold? So with your understanding of 3:48, did Jesus write the Torah?

[pinkpanther]

No, the Quran never mention the NT.

How do you know Jesus did not mention the prophet to come after him? If he didn't do that, that means he didn't know of the man who taught billions of people after him (Jesus) to honor him (Jesus) and his mother.

The Quran did not mention the NT then why are you here distorting the Christian texts... 

If the NT is not recognized from Allah then why do you try to justify the coming of Muhammad....kafir once again

[Ali Imran]

The Quran did not mention the NT then why are you here distorting the Christian texts... 

If the NT is not recognized from Allah then why do you try to justify the coming of Muhammad....kafir once again

When did I ever distort the Christian text?

All I did was to tell you that the scriptures of the children of Israel have been distorted and that is confirmed by Jewish Bible scholars.

[pinkpanther]

Allah didn’t name the followers of Torah and Injeel as Jews and Christian.You have named it yourself.

As per Quran, The followers of Torah , Injeel and Quran are Muslims.

you see how Islam lays claim to everything including one personal freedom in religion...

So why moslems ask moslems to pay a jizya and if they can't pay up, death is what awaits ...

[pinkpanther]

When did I ever distort the Christian text?

All I did was to tell you that the scriptures of the children of Israel have been distorted and that is confirmed by Jewish Bible scholars.

You misinterpret the christian texts since the very beginning....the comforter, the one to come after Jesus is the Holy spirit if you read in context...mana Muhammad?

You are not taught to believe in the NT..then why are you taking a piss out of our scriptures.....

[Ali Imran]

you see how Islam lays claim to everything including one personal freedom in religion...

So why moslems ask moslems to pay a jizya and if they can't pay up, death is what awaits ...

No, that is wrong. No such thing.

Please ask if you don't know.

[pinkpanther]

Morning session is over   
Argue in the afternoon!

[pinkpanther]

No, that is wrong. No such thing.

Please ask if you don't know.

We are Christians and not moslems ...not how the Quran defines us...they refer us as people of the books..never as moslems