[Ali Imran]

Ok ..then this is from the Torah which you are taught to believe in...

Our prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم already told us to neither believe nor disbelieve their books.

But you must believe it. They can unalive babies because your Bible allows it.

[Ali Imran]

It is quite contradictory that an Islamic country recognizes Ascension Day.

It goes against the belief of Islam

That is how tolerant they are.

[pinkpanther]

That is how tolerant they are.

You can observe how Indonesia, an Islamic country, grants its people free will... the broader Islamic world could benefit from learning from Indonesia's example.

[pinkpanther]

Our prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم already told us to neither believe nor disbelieve their books.

But you must believe it. They can unalive babies because your Bible allows it.

No. .your Quran teaches that you cannot pick and choose what to believe...

How do you know which part of the torah you can choose to not believe?

[pinkpanther]

Yes, in the Quran, Allah emphasizes the importance of accepting the entire revealed message and warns against picking and choosing verses. One clear example is in Surah Al-Baqarah (2:85):

**"Then, is it other than Allah they seek for judgment? And to who has been entrusted the [true] means of ruling and judgment for them? Yet they turn away from it; but they are not with the believers."**

More specifically, the Quran addresses the issue of selectively accepting parts of the scripture and rejecting others, which is considered a form of disbelief. For instance, in Surah Al-Baqarah (2:85), Allah criticizes those who believe in some parts of the scripture and reject others:

**"Then, after that, are they to believe in a part of the Scripture and disbelieve in the rest? Indeed, what is the recompense of those who do that among you except disgrace in the worldly life; and on the Day of Resurrection they will be sent back to the most severe punishment."**

This indicates that believers are expected to accept the entire message of the Quran and previous scriptures, not to pick and choose parts that suit them. Faith in Islam requires believing in all of Allah’s revealed words as a whole, without selective acceptance or rejection.

The islamic dilemma continues

[Ali Imran]

No. .your Quran teaches that you cannot pick and choose what to believe...

How do you know which part of the torah you can choose to not believe?

Yes, that is true. The Quran tells us that we have to believe in the ENTIRE Quran. We cannot pick and choose what to believe or disbelieve. 

But I can pick and choose which part of your Bible to believe and for the other part, I will say "I neither believe nor disbelieve", like that part where it says to kill babies.

Do you want to know how and why? I've explained it to you already but I'm sure you don't remember.

[Ali Imran]

This indicates that believers are expected to accept the entire message of the Quran and previous scriptures, not to pick and choose parts that suit them. Faith in Islam requires believing in all of Allah’s revealed words as a whole, without selective acceptance or rejection.

That is false. 

We can already say with confidence that your Bible has been corrupted and we don't even need to go to the Quran. 

The Bible scholars, both Christian and Jewish scholars, have already confirmed the corruption.

[pinkpanther]

That is false. 

We can already say with confidence that your Bible has been corrupted and we don't even need to go to the Quran. 

The Bible scholars, both Christian and Jewish scholars, have already confirmed the corruption.

Where did the Quran mention the Bible?

Allah and Muhammad affirm the truth of the Gospel that the Christians were reading during Muhammad's era. Scholars have verified that the texts the Christians read at that time is largely unchanged with the versions we have today. 

Since the Quran is a comprehensive and detailed book, there is no need to consult external sources to validate it.

[pinkpanther]

Yes, that is true. The Quran tells us that we have to believe in the ENTIRE Quran. We cannot pick and choose what to believe or disbelieve. 

But I can pick and choose which part of your Bible to believe and for the other part, I will say "I neither believe nor disbelieve", like that part where it says to kill babies.

Do you want to know how and why? I've explained it to you already but I'm sure you don't remember.

You are wrong.

AI Overview


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Yes, the Quran, a central text of Islam, states that one should believe in all scriptures, including the Torah (Tawrah) and the Gospel (Injeel). This implies that picking and choosing which verses to believe is not acceptable within the framework of Islamic belief. 

Muslims believe that God revealed himself to prophets, including Moses, Abraham, and Jesus, through the Torah and Gospel. Therefore, they do not reject these scriptures, but rather see them as confirmations of divine guidance preceding the Quran.

[Lukongsimi]

If your home is infested with pests 
Do u only kill the adults spare the children let it grow up n follow the footsteps of their parents?

[pinkpanther]

If your home is infested with pests 
Do u only kill the adults spare the children let it grow up n do what they parents did?

Welcome back lah

[Lukongsimi]

Welcome back lah

Sian lah

[Ali Imran]

You are wrong.

AI Overview


+3
Yes, the Quran, a central text of Islam, states that one should believe in all scriptures, including the Torah (Tawrah) and the Gospel (Injeel). This implies that picking and choosing which verses to believe is not acceptable within the framework of Islamic belief. 

Muslims believe that God revealed himself to prophets, including Moses, Abraham, and Jesus, through the Torah and Gospel. Therefore, they do not reject these scriptures, but rather see them as confirmations of divine guidance preceding the Quran.

All Muslims must believe the Torah and the Injeel, but not the Bible.

[Ali Imran]

If your home is infested with pests 
Do u only kill the adults spare the children let it grow up n follow the footsteps of their parents?

Yup. At least, you're not shy to admit that your God is cruel to kill children and infants, and not allow them the chance to grow up and dream of Jesus and become Christians.

[Ali Imran]

Where did the Quran mention the Bible?

Allah and Muhammad affirm the truth of the Gospel that the Christians were reading during Muhammad's era. Scholars have verified that the texts the Christians read at that time is largely unchanged with the versions we have today. 

Since the Quran is a comprehensive and detailed book, there is no need to consult external sources to validate it.

Muslims believe the Injeel are the words spoken by Jesus. Are all the words in your 4 Gospels spoken by Jesus?

[Ali Imran]

Bedtime.

I will be looking forward to replying to the rest tomorrow.

[pinkpanther]

All Muslims must believe the Torah and the Injeel, but not the Bible.

Muhammad acknowledged the Injil, yet you claim that the Injil was never recorded. However, it is the Bible that provides detailed information about Jesus...who he was, the language he spoke, and other significant details... and we have numerous manuscripts of it.

 In contrast, your Quran lacks many of these details, makes plenty of claims that cannot be justified yet you choose to disbelieve the Bible...

[pinkpanther]

Muslims believe the Injeel are the words spoken by Jesus. Are all the words in your 4 Gospels spoken by Jesus?

Who says the Injil can only contain the words of Jesus and not a biography of Jesus? Have you seen the Injil?

[Lukongsimi]

1. The Amalekites are not simply threatening a people group with their determination to wipe out Israel, but they are a threat to the salvation plan of God for all other nations.  As descendants of Esau they had despised the covenant themselves and now were determined that none others could have access to what they had rejected.  This existential threat motif is ramped up even more when we realise that Haman, the advisor to King Xerxes in the book of Esther is an Agagite (the name given to the royal leaders of the Amalekites, including the Amalekite king in 1Samuel15).   And which people does Haman hate with a murderous hatred to the point he organises a genocide against them?  Israel of course. Only when Esther steps in is Israel saved, proving that sometimes the best man for the job is a woman.  Simply put, the Amalekites are like the bad Terminator in Terminator II – you’ve got to finish the job or he’ll re-form and keep coming after you.
   
2.  Remember point 1?  The bigger genocide story in the Bible?  Well there’s an even bigger one than that—it’s the final judgement battle in the book of Revelation in which the blood of the judgement battle is described as coming up to the horse’s bridle. That’s a lot of blood.  What we find, counter-intuitively, is that the Old Testament doesn’t contain all of the big judgement stories, and the New Testament none of them or a decreasing amount, but rather the NT ramps up judgement.  In fact Paul with his pen in Romans 3:21-26 and in his proclamation in Acts 17 in Athens, indicates that “in the past” (meaning OT salvation past), God overlooked/passed over sins, but has now, in Christ announced that he is going to “wink at sin” no longer and it is far more in his judgement firing line now that it ever was back in the Old Testament prior to Christ.
   
3. In line with this is the idea of people like Meredith Kline that the judgement stories in the Old Testament are eschatological judgement “intrusions”: judgement events that break into history at certain times as precursors to the final judgement of sin.  God models his final day, eschatological judgement, to humanity at certain critical points; the Flood, this Amalekite narrative etc.  But Jesus uses such a framework at times too.  He says in Luke 13 that the collapse of the Siloam tower that killed 18 people (although not an act of judgement in and of itself for specific sin), nevertheless points to a pattern of final day judgement for all of those who do not repent.  And the era of the New Testament church experiences this too in Acts 5 and the deaths of Ananias and Sapphira for lying to the Holy Spirit.
   
4. Of course this intrusion theology is fulfilled by the ultimate eschatological judgement intrusion—the cross of Christ.  There on the cross Jesus takes on the force of God’s judgement upon himself, despite his obedience to God and our disobedience.  He takes in the present the curse of what was coming our way in the future. In so doing he creates an eschatological future for us that is not of coming judgement, but the salvation that God had promised for the nations to Abraham back in Genesis 12 and 15.  And did you notice what God did through this Christ—this king?  This King, unlike Saul, was an obedient king.  This King, unlike Saul, exhausted the judgement of God that the king required  for those opposed to God’s salvation.  But how did it happen?  By God exhausting his judgement upon the King, his Son, and not on us. God in Christ took on the sword of judgement. That’s the gospel right there!  And it’s right there that we as Christians seeking to defend the gospel against those who hate it, or even those who are genuinely curious, can confidently say that our God would never speak to us like he spoke to Saul through Samuel, demanding genocidal vengeance on anyone.  It’s not possible because it’s no longer required.  We are, because of Christ, currently in the eschatological period of amnesty awaiting that final judgement.  The Son is God’s final word to us, so that’s the point we need to make to people.  That, of course, won’t make people affirm God’s justice and rightness for what he did to the Amalekites, but there is a theological reason for that that no amount of apologetics will suffice for or cover: their hatred of God in spite of his love for them.
   

[pinkpanther]

Yup. At least, you're not shy to admit that your God is cruel to kill children and infants, and not allow them the chance to grow up and dream of Jesus and become Christians.

Let me remind you that this is the same God that you are praying to

[S I M T A N]

Ok. I will not argue with that. The point I was making is that Jesus cannot be said to be prince of peace because he clearly said he did not come to bring peace.

Your post of not believing the right things about Jesus is built on a mischaracterization of God. You've brought into the false dichotomy between the Prince of Peace personified in Jesus Christ and the same Prince who will put to the sword. Many like you have contradictory ideas about God, where in the OT, a blood-thirsty deity was constantly seeking revenge. In the NT, however, God as exemplified in Jesus is held in high regard.

On further examination, both the Old and New Testaments reveal to us a variety of aspects of the same God. The O T tells us more about God than just His anger against evildoers. From Genesis to Malachi, we also find a God who is "compassionate and gracious, slow to anger and abounding in lovingkindness" (Ps 103:8). The N T doesn't present a one-dimensional God whose only attribute is love. The same Jesus who declared that "God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son" is also returning in judgement to "strike down the nations, and.. rule them with a rod of iron as He treads the wine press of the fierce wrath of God the Almighty" (Rev 19:15).

In Islam, if you pray for Allah's forgiveness of your sins, He's most kind and forgiving, and will just forgive, pure and simple. The Biblical God, however, is both loving and just. His righteousness demands punishing sin, but His love motivates Him to offer a way to forgive sinners. His holiness will not allow the guilty to go unpunished. It also means He's separate from everything, including sin.

The cross reveals God's holiness in how the sinless Son was judged on behalf of sinful people so that when God justifies the guilty, He does so without compromising His righteousness. The Holy Spirit is then sent to fill and sanctify us as a means of restoring our divine resemblance, helping us to wear the right clothes and two good shoes, wherein we "put on the new self, created after the likeness of God in true righteousness and holiness" (Eph 4:24).

From the beginning with creation, in our redemption and eventual glorification, God's holiness is revealed. The fact that God would be willing to make the ultimate sacrifice of His own Son for the salvation of the world demonstrates God's love, not His hatred, toward us (John 3:16).

[S I M T A N]

Death is the will of God. As Muslims, we submit to the will of God.

I can cry for the death of the children of Gaza, killed by people who cited what is in your Bible as justification for killing them. Why are the children killed? For no reason other than being born in a land that some people say the God of the Bible gave to them, and the God of the Bible gave them the right to take it by force.

How can you not cry for those children?

I didn't cry for my loved ones when they departed this life because I knew they'd gone to be with the Lord. But my heart did bleed for the death of thousands of innocents in wars. It's a good thing that our societies have made strenuous efforts to develop laws that stringently reduce the occasions on which a person is allowed to take the life of another. Traditionally, there are three circumstances in which it's acceptable to take human life: (1) killing as self-defence or in order to protect the life of another, (2) killing in the course of just war, and (3) killing in the case of capital punishment, where the executors are agents of the state.

[Ali Imran]

I didn't cry for my loved ones when they departed this life because I knew they'd gone to be with the Lord. But my heart did bleed for the death of thousands of innocents in wars. It's a good thing that our societies have made strenuous efforts to develop laws that stringently reduce the occasions on which a person is allowed to take the life of another. Traditionally, there are three circumstances in which it's acceptable to take human life: (1) killing as self-defence or in order to protect the life of another, (2) killing in the course of just war, and (3) killing in the case of capital punishment, where the executors are agents of the state.

In the case of Palestine, they kill people because they say the God of the Bible gives them the right to do that.

[Ali Imran]

Muhammad acknowledged the Injil, yet you claim that the Injil was never recorded. However, it is the Bible that provides detailed information about Jesus...who he was, the language he spoke, and other significant details... and we have numerous manuscripts of it.

 In contrast, your Quran lacks many of these details, makes plenty of claims that cannot be justified yet you choose to disbelieve the Bible...

Of course. I don't know how many times you must repeat it. We all believe that 100% that Jesus spoke the words from God, known as the Injeel. We all believe that.

Sadly, we don't have that anymore.

[Ali Imran]

Let me remind you that this is the same God that you are praying to

I worship the God of Jesus, the one true God.

Is the God in the Bible made up of 3 persons who are all equally God? If so, I don't recognize that God, or Gods. It is a very confusing God.

[Ali Imran]

Who says the Injil can only contain the words of Jesus and not a biography of Jesus? Have you seen the Injil?

So Jesus was speaking his biography to his people? And he spoke to people about himself in the 3rd person?

[Ali Imran]

In Islam, if you pray for Allah's forgiveness of your sins, He's most kind and forgiving, and will just forgive, pure and simple. The Biblical God, however, is both loving and just. His righteousness demands punishing sin, but His love motivates Him to offer a way to forgive sinners. His holiness will not allow the guilty to go unpunished. It also means He's separate from everything, including sin.

I will ask the same question I've asked so many times with no answer.

Why the sudden change? Just before Paul came along, God can just forgive sins without demanding any punishment or blood sacrifice. Suddenly, God loses this ability to just erase our sins.

Why?

[Hope]

Lily strikes again 🙈as Christian threaten her


https://youtu.be/omsuuwIcwnk?si=quT2tNKDdu8tqgpu

[pinkpanther]

Of course. I don't know how many times you must repeat it. We all believe that 100% that Jesus spoke the words from God, known as the Injeel. We all believe that.

Sadly, we don't have that anymore.

Allah said that the Injil is with the Christians, you say that we do not have the Injil....You are overwriting Allah and Muhammad....can I take it that you are claiming to be God? Yes..In a certain way

Moslems make all the claims but have nothing to back it up always....

The Injil was revealed to Jesus, it was not recorded or lost according to moslems..
Muhammad affirmed the Injil, the Christians were reading the Injil back then. Allah says it is with us..

Moslems are a confusing lot..so the Islamic dilemma continues...it gets worse with every explanation

[Hope]

Christian cemetery !


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