[Lukongsimi]

That old man still insisting and threatening our faith Jealous ?
How come he has no testimony to share about his god ?
He dreamt about a Chinese wayang opera actor 
Maybe is about his wayang lies ?

[pinkpanther]

This is the Islamic dilemma... We can discuss the issues extensively, but it doesnt solve the problem. Even if I concede to the Moslems in every argument, they would still ultimately face a loss...

[pinkpanther]

That old man still insisting and threatening our faith Jealous ?
How come he has no testimony to share about his god ?
He dreamt about a Chinese wayang opera actor 
Maybe is about his wayang lies ?

We can concede every argument but still it doesnt make him right...

[Lukongsimi]

We can concede every argument but still it doesnt make him right... 

he is still living in darkness but never want to admit defeat.

[S I M T A N]

I accept the son of Mary, Jesus, peace be upon him. I accept him 100%. No Muslim is a Muslim if he rejects Jesus.

I am more like his follower than you are, even though I am not his follower.

1. I pray to the almighty God like how Jesus did. You don't.
2. I believe in one almighty God with no partners and so do Jesus. You believe in 3 persons God, a foreign god.
3. I believe in obedience to the Law like Jesus. You have discarded the Law.
4. I go to the temple in the early morning like Jesus did. I'm sure you don't.
5. I am circumcised like how Jesus was circumcised. Likely, you are not.
6. I don't eat pork like Jesus. Likely, you consume pork.

As you can see from that, I accept Jesus more than you. What say you SimTan?

Would you admit that you follow the teachings of Paul and put aside those from Jesus?

You evoke images of a pretty neat 'kitchen counter scrubber' who believers that righteousness involves keeping the kitchen spotlessly clean, with counters wiped, floor scrubbed, dishes washed, cupboards organized, corners dusted, napkins neatly folded, and so on.

Kitchen scrubbers who pride themselves in keeping an immaculate exterior also tend to despise those whose kitchens are cluttered. Little wonder, then, Christians have been labelled as 'lawless' by you. When you focus on outward appearances, you neglect the reality within, where righteousness is administered and contained.

Trying to live a righteous life externally when we're not righteous internally will only result in us becoming "whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men's bones and everything unclean" (Matt 23:27). The focus must be what is inside: "For within, out of men's hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance, and folly. All these evils come from inside and make a man unclean" (Mark 7:20-23).

By branding us 'lawless,' you think grace allows us to sin? The fact of the matter is, not being under law does not mean freedom to sin, If anything, true liberty is the freedom not to sin, which is only possible by walking in the Spirit. In his letters to the Galatians, Paul defends the true liberty of the Spirit against the twin dangers threatening that freedom. On one side is licence, which enslaves to sin. On the other side is legalism, which enslaves to law. These are the two ways in which we believers can lose our liberty and both carry grave consequences.

The form of legalism dogging Paul's mission was the teaching by Jewish believers that Gentiles accepting Jesus, the Jewish Messiah, must also keep the Jewish law of Moses. In Colossians 2:20-22, Paul wrote, "Therefore, if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations.."

This passage provides a pretty accurate picture of holiness teaching. Do not misunderstand me - I ain't saying rules are necessarily wrong. Many of them are useful and good. What I'm saying is that our righteousness doesn't consist in keeping those rules. especially when so many of them are sadly dated and no longer useful.

There are no outward acts that you can do to achieve righteousness, so abandon your futile efforts to do this or that. It's true that our good works reap eternal reward (Matt 16:27; Luke 6:35), but not if we do good works only in hopes of attaining righteousness. The only way to be righteous is to receive, b faith, the righteousness of God.

[cheekopekman]

You evoke images of a pretty neat 'kitchen counter scrubber' who believers that righteousness involves keeping the kitchen spotlessly clean, with counters wiped, floor scrubbed, dishes washed, cupboards organized, corners dusted, napkins neatly folded, and so on.

Kitchen scrubbers who pride themselves in keeping an immaculate exterior also tend to despise those whose kitchens are cluttered. Little wonder, then, Christians have been labelled as 'lawless' by you. When you focus on outward appearances, you neglect the reality within, where righteousness is administered and contained.

Trying to live a righteous life externally when we're not righteous internally will only result in us becoming "whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men's bones and everything unclean" (Matt 23:27). The focus must be what is inside: "For within, out of men's hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance, and folly. All these evils come from inside and make a man unclean" (Mark 7:20-23).

By branding us 'lawless,' you think grace allows us to sin? The fact of the matter is, not being under law does not mean freedom to sin, If anything, true liberty is the freedom not to sin, which is only possible by walking in the Spirit. In his letters to the Galatians, Paul defends the true liberty of the Spirit against the twin dangers threatening that freedom. On one side is licence, which enslaves to sin. On the other side is legalism, which enslaves to law. These are the two ways in which we believers can lose our liberty and both carry grave consequences.

The form of legalism dogging Paul's mission was the teaching by Jewish believers that Gentiles accepting Jesus, the Jewish Messiah, must also keep the Jewish law of Moses. In Colossians 2:20-22, Paul wrote, "Therefore, if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations.."

This passage provides a pretty accurate picture of holiness teaching. Do not misunderstand me - I ain't saying rules are necessarily wrong. Many of them are useful and good. What I'm saying is that our righteousness doesn't consist in keeping those rules. especially when so many of them are sadly dated and no longer useful.

There are no outward acts that you can do to achieve righteousness, so abandon your futile efforts to do this or that. It's true that our good works reap eternal reward (Matt 16:27; Luke 6:35), but not if we do good works only in hopes of attaining righteousness. The only way to be righteous is to receive, b faith, the righteousness of God.

The Pharisees in Jesus' days liked to pray out loud with long prayers at street corners for all to see lah!  Jesus lashed out 7 woes to rebuke them lah!

[Lukongsimi]

• Matthew 23:13:
  "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut the kingdom of heaven in people's faces; for you neither go in yourselves, nor do you let those who are entering go in." 
  

[Lukongsimi]

Wayang opera is to entertain people 
Entertain u with false hopes n make u sad with those sad stories 
https://youtu.be/wXc9o9DpEG0
I ever watch but can’t understand any word of it
Can you understand what that old man is talking about ?

[Lukongsimi]

Old man always boasts he knows more than us and we are useless in his eyes
No matter how you explain he still despises Christians.

Answer is simple he is just a goat not our Sheperd
He don’t understand the Bible
He only believe in his Koran which contradicts the Bible
Every day without fail he will condemn us
His partner will show the Koran happily thinking paradise belongs to them not us

Even can order what food u like in paradise
But Why angel food is only manna no meat go n think?


That is the job for their master of the darkness

[pinkpanther]

Wayang opera is to entertain people 
Entertain u with false hopes n make u sad with those sad stories 
https://youtu.be/wXc9o9DpEG0
I ever watch but can’t understand any word of it
Can you understand what that old man is talking about ?

Teochew opera? I think no one watches it anymore..it is a dying trade...they should do it in english

[Lukongsimi]

Teochew opera? I think no one watches it anymore..it is a dying trade...they should do it in english

Now during 7th month didn’t see any performing 
😊

[pinkpanther]

Old man always boasts he knows more than us and we are useless in his eyes
No matter what he still despises Christians
Answer is simple he is just a goat not our Sheperd
He don’t understand the Bible
He only believe in his Koran which contradicts the Bible
Every day without fail he will condemn us
That is the job for his master of the darkness

The issue with some followers of Islam is their tendency to regard Christians as second-class citizens....like the prophet 's practice of collecting jizya from Christians to permit them to practice their faith. 

This mindset seems to be shared by Hope, who believes he occupies a moral high ground over us and view the Quran as superior to the Bible. He thinks that we should submit to Islam, similar to how the prophet sought to establish his authority.....

A significant concern within Islam is that many adherents follow the teachings of the prophet without engaging in critical thinking. ....There are still those who believe that violence or jihadist actions are legitimate solutions to various problems. Furthermore, misinterpretations of the Quran can lead individuals down a path toward extremism.....

[pinkpanther]

Now during 7th month didn’t see any performing 
😊

All up lorry already ..no one is alive to perform

[Lukongsimi]

All up lorry already ..no one is alive to perform

Those love to watch and understand also up lorry liao

[Lukongsimi]

The issue with some followers of Islam is their tendency to regard Christians as second-class citizens....like the prophet 's practice of collecting jizya from Christians to permit them to practice their faith. 

This mindset seems to be shared by Hope, who believes he occupies a moral high ground over us and view the Quran as superior to the Bible. He thinks that we should submit to Islam, similar to how the prophet sought to establish his authority.....

A significant concern within Islam is that many adherents follow the teachings of the prophet without engaging in critical thinking. ....There are still those who believe that violence or jihadist actions are legitimate solutions to various problems. Furthermore, misinterpretations of the Quran can lead individuals down a path toward extremism.....

Without them the world is more peaceful 
😊
Christ taught love
Their religion taught hatred
So which is better ?
One is good the other is evil

[Lukongsimi]

Without them the world is more peaceful 
😊
Christ taught love
Their religion taught hatred
So which is better ?
One is good the other is evil

This is what happens when Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil
The world will
Never be at peace until destroyed n new earth is created
Same here the thread will never be at peace until forum closes
The 2 will go somewhere else to fight for their master of darkness lol

[Ali Imran]

Without them the world is more peaceful 
😊
Christ taught love
Their religion taught hatred
So which is better ?
One is good the other is evil

The Jews during the middle ages experienced the Christian love. They were massacred en masse in Jerusalem by the Christians.

[Ali Imran]

Without them the world is more peaceful 
😊
Christ taught love
Their religion taught hatred
So which is better ?
One is good the other is evil

Today, it is the Jews and the Christians combined who are showing love to the Palestinian people. A genocidal love.

[Ali Imran]

You evoke images of a pretty neat 'kitchen counter scrubber' who believers that righteousness involves keeping the kitchen spotlessly clean, with counters wiped, floor scrubbed, dishes washed, cupboards organized, corners dusted, napkins neatly folded, and so on.

Kitchen scrubbers who pride themselves in keeping an immaculate exterior also tend to despise those whose kitchens are cluttered. Little wonder, then, Christians have been labelled as 'lawless' by you. When you focus on outward appearances, you neglect the reality within, where righteousness is administered and contained.

Trying to live a righteous life externally when we're not righteous internally will only result in us becoming "whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men's bones and everything unclean" (Matt 23:27). The focus must be what is inside: "For within, out of men's hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance, and folly. All these evils come from inside and make a man unclean" (Mark 7:20-23).

By branding us 'lawless,' you think grace allows us to sin? The fact of the matter is, not being under law does not mean freedom to sin, If anything, true liberty is the freedom not to sin, which is only possible by walking in the Spirit. In his letters to the Galatians, Paul defends the true liberty of the Spirit against the twin dangers threatening that freedom. On one side is licence, which enslaves to sin. On the other side is legalism, which enslaves to law. These are the two ways in which we believers can lose our liberty and both carry grave consequences.

The form of legalism dogging Paul's mission was the teaching by Jewish believers that Gentiles accepting Jesus, the Jewish Messiah, must also keep the Jewish law of Moses. In Colossians 2:20-22, Paul wrote, "Therefore, if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations.."

This passage provides a pretty accurate picture of holiness teaching. Do not misunderstand me - I ain't saying rules are necessarily wrong. Many of them are useful and good. What I'm saying is that our righteousness doesn't consist in keeping those rules. especially when so many of them are sadly dated and no longer useful.

There are no outward acts that you can do to achieve righteousness, so abandon your futile efforts to do this or that. It's true that our good works reap eternal reward (Matt 16:27; Luke 6:35), but not if we do good works only in hopes of attaining righteousness. The only way to be righteous is to receive, b faith, the righteousness of God.

In the Abrahamic paradigm, truth is in the scriptures and the prophets. As we no longer have the prophets, we can only rely on the scriptures.

In the Gospels, we read about Jesus condemning those who discard the law and teach others to discard the law. We both agree Paul did exactly that, teaching others to discard the law.

Will you admit that you have put aside or ignored the words of Jesus and that you follow Paul instead?

[Lukongsimi]

Ask yourself why need a dead man to add 2 in 1 to pray ?

[Ali Imran]

Ask yourself why need a dead man to add 2 in 1 to pray ?

We pray only to the Almighty Creator, the God of Jesus.

[Lukongsimi]

Disturb God ‘s chosen sure kena attack loh

[Lukongsimi]

Your god is not the father not same
Your god don’t have a begotten son who died for sinners not same

[Ali Imran]

Disturb God ‘s chosen sure kena attack loh

Don't you find it funny that God's chosen people are the enemies of your God?

[Lukongsimi]

U don’t believe Jesus is the saviour you will die in your sin
Your prayer good deeds can’t save u

[Ali Imran]

U don’t believe Jesus is the saviour you will die in your sin
Your prayer good deeds can’t save u

I believe the saviour is the God of Jesus. Jesus also believed the same as me. That is why when Jesus wanted to be saved, he prayed to his God.

[Lukongsimi]

What is the point to attack and your soul is still unsaved
Old man go n think be humble and submit to Christ for salvation
U think u so smart no use
It’s your heart that matters whether u want to accept Christ or perish forever

[Lukongsimi]

Everyday attack and attack what is the use it’s your soul that is  important 
Once lost is lost forever eternal

[Ali Imran]

What is the point to attack and your soul is still unsaved
Old man go n think be humble and submit to Christ for salvation
U think u so smart no use
It’s your heart that matters whether u want to accept Christ or perish forever

I don't think I am smart. I appear smart to you because I speak the truth. 

I believe in the God of Jesus and I worship that One God. My saviour is that One God. Jesus's saviour is also the same One God.

[Lukongsimi]

What is the use to attack the Bible ?
It’s your only soul that needs help
Once lost is gone forever
Forever in pain u want?