(22-03-2024, 04:44 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]Ok. I'm a keyboard warrior. You caught me.
Are you interested in the truth?
Oh c'mon Ali...spare me the truth!
You are going to tell me Allah is the truth isn't it!
(22-03-2024, 04:45 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]Oh.. we do that too, going door to door.
Unbelievable
I never come across any Muslim preaching about their belief door to door.
Only come to sell karopok.
(22-03-2024, 04:48 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote: [ -> ]Unbelievable
I never come across any Muslim preaching about their belief door to door.
Only come to sell karopok.
The Tabligh movement. We go door to door. But we only go to Malay houses and preach to them.
Allah didn't tell you "go China my son, it is mostly a atheist country, go there and spread the words"
(22-03-2024, 04:48 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]Oh c'mon Ali...spare me the truth!
You are going to tell me Allah is the truth isn't it!
That is the ultimate truth.
The shema is the truth.
Would you be interested to know why the Shema or the Shahadah is foremost in Islam and according to Jesus?
(22-03-2024, 04:44 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]Ok. I'm a keyboard warrior. You caught me.
Are you interested in the truth?
OK I respect you because you admitted you are a warrior of the keyboard
(22-03-2024, 04:54 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]OK I respect you because you admitted you are a warrior of the keyboard
Thank you.
Now, can we get back to your discussion?
(22-03-2024, 04:52 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]That is the ultimate truth.
The shema is the truth.
Would you be interested to know why the Shema or the Shahadah is foremost in Islam and according to Jesus?
Firstly is this in the quran or another story telling book?
(22-03-2024, 04:56 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]Firstly is this in the quran or another story telling book?
Its logic thinking.
If the Trinity is true, Jesus's teaching is wrong.
(22-03-2024, 05:02 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote: [ -> ]Oh really?
Yes really.
Ask your Muslim friends and they will tell you.
(22-03-2024, 05:00 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]Its logic thinking.
If the Trinity is true, Jesus's teaching is wrong.
Aiyoh 1 man 1 wife also wrong ah...1 man 4 wives and 72 waiting in hereafter is correct ah
(22-03-2024, 05:04 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]Yes really.
Ask your Muslim friends and they will tell you.
I won’t wish to ask that is not my belief.none of my business
(22-03-2024, 05:00 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]Its logic thinking.
If the Trinity is true, Jesus's teaching is wrong.
”For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.“
1 John 5:7-8 KJV
https://bible.com/bible/1/1jn.5.7-8.KJV
(22-03-2024, 05:05 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]Aiyoh 1 man 1 wife also wrong ah...1 man 4 wives and 72 waiting in hereafter is correct ah
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Then I also can say muhammad pen the quran out of hallucination because he never receive the relevation...He didn't even know who squeeze the life out of him in the cave..
But I don want to question your faith because you are going to say this and that...in the hadith you mentioned Allah zap Muhammad to show him his throne but some have refute this saying Muhammad has been called a liar many times...
Bro these are doubts you can't prove unless you witness it...but I don doubt your god at all...just to each his own
Most men marry only 1, like me. So no, 1 man 1 wife is not wrong coz I am like that.
I am waiting for such questions on the Quran and the prophet, peace be upon him.
Many people opposed Jesus too, calling him a liar but we both agree Jesus is telling the truth despite accusations of him telling lies. So, similarly, Prophet Muhammad also received such accusations.
When scientists read in the Quran that water is an essential component of life, they were amazed how a man in the 7th century would know that coz the scientists didn't know the prophet didn't author the Quran. If you believe the information is coming from God, you would not be surprised that the info is accurate.
Galatians 1:6-12 King James Version (KJV)
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
(22-03-2024, 05:17 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote: [ -> ]”For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.“
1 John 5:7-8 KJV
https://bible.com/bible/1/1jn.5.7-8.KJV
Why is it that only the KJV has that verse? Other well-known Bible like the NIV have removed it because they said it's a forgery.
Again, knowledge is key here. How do scholars determine that 1 John 5:7 is a forgery? Because it isn't contained in the earliest manuscripts. It only started appearing in manuscripts of the 15th century, which was about the time somebody managed to insert it into the manuscript. Also, none of the early church fathers quoted that verse in their many homilies. Imagine that. The only verse that confirms the Trinity is actually forged. Why?
(22-03-2024, 05:36 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote: [ -> ]Galatians 1:6-12 King James Version (KJV)
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
And do you know who St Paul was referring to preaching "other gospel"? The disciples, the people who were with Jesus, who heard him preached, heard all his parables, heard him explain all the parables. Yes, the disciples were preaching different from what St Paul was preaching. Please don't take my word for it. Please go and study it from your own scholars.
There, this is a conundrum for you. Who to listen to, the disciples Jesus endorsed like St Peter and St James, or St Paul whom Jesus never once mentioned?
(22-03-2024, 05:39 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]Why is it that only the KJV has that verse? Other well-known Bible like the NIV have removed it because they said it's a forgery.
Again, knowledge is key here. How do scholars determine that 1 John 5:7 is a forgery? Because it isn't contained in the earliest manuscripts. It only started appearing in manuscripts of the 15th century, which was about the time somebody managed to insert it into the manuscript. Also, none of the early church fathers quoted that verse in their many homilies. Imagine that. The only verse that confirms the Trinity is actually forged. Why?
U rather believe in the scholars who are just man n not the words inspired by God
Use your brain lah
(22-03-2024, 05:43 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]And do you know who St Paul was referring to preaching "other gospel"? The disciples, the people who were with Jesus, who heard him preached, heard all his parables, heard him explain all the parables. Yes, the disciples were preaching different from what St Paul was preaching. Please don't take my word for it. Please go and study it from your own scholars.
There, this is a conundrum for you. Who to listen to, the disciples Jesus endorsed like St Peter and St James, or St Paul whom Jesus never once mentioned?
If Paul’s preaching was wrong how come it’s written in the bible for decades
use your brain lah
(22-03-2024, 05:43 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote: [ -> ]U rather believe in the scholars who are just man n not the words inspired by God
Use your brain lah
When you read the Bible, where did it come from? Scholars.
Who decided your theology like the Trinity? Scholars.
Who decided which of the hundreds of books got into the Bible? Scholars.
So, you are relying on scholars for everything pengyu.
(22-03-2024, 05:46 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote: [ -> ]If Paul’s preaching was wrong how come it’s written in the bible for decades
use your brain lah
There are many books that you consider wrong or apocryphal that are still in the Bible, like the Book of Esther.
How come?
(22-03-2024, 05:46 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote: [ -> ]If Paul’s preaching was wrong how come it’s written in the bible for decades
use your brain lah
St Paul said you can eat pork. The disciples said you cannot eat pork.
Who is right?
(22-03-2024, 05:47 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]When you read the Bible, where did it come from? Scholars.
Who decided your theology like the Trinity? Scholars.
Who decided which of the hundreds of books got into the Bible? Scholars.
So, you are relying on scholars for everything pengyu.
Your Quran not from scholars drops from sky?
Words in bible inspired by God written by authors
(22-03-2024, 05:49 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]There are many books that you consider wrong or apocryphal that are still in the Bible, like the Book of Esther.
How come?
When did I considered Book of Esther is wrong?
“God wrote the Bible.” The Holy Spirit moved prophets like Moses and apostles like Paul to write about God's relationship with the world (1 Ti 3:16; 2 Pe 1:20–21). “About 40 people wrote the Bible.” The individual books were written by many authors over many years in many places to many different people groups.
(22-03-2024, 05:57 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]St Paul said you can eat pork. The disciples said you cannot eat pork.
Who is right?
All can eat pork except if u r a Muslim.
(22-03-2024, 05:58 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote: [ -> ]Your Quran not from scholars drops from sky?
Words in bible inspired by God written by authors
If you can, show me any authors of the Gospels who said God inspired them to write what they wrote.
(22-03-2024, 05:58 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote: [ -> ]Your Quran not from scholars drops from sky?
The Quran is not from scholars. An angel delivered the Quran to our prophet.
(22-03-2024, 06:02 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote: [ -> ]All can eat pork except if u r a Muslim.
Jesus didn't eat pork coz Jesus is like me, a Muslim.
Religious Jews don't eat pork.
(22-03-2024, 06:10 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]Jesus didn't eat pork coz Jesus is like me, a Muslim.
Religious Jews don't eat pork.
Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Israel so He was a Jew lah!