(22-03-2024, 11:18 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]Hehe.. chulik.
No, I don't belong to the Tabligh movement.
And please pengyu, I don't condemn the Bible. It is a holy book and I will not step on it, or throw it around, or burn it or eat pages out of it. I will treat it with respect because it is your holy book. What I'm doing is to show you what I believe, that the Bible is not from God nor inspired by God and it is not a reliable source of guidance for mankind.
You said our bible is not from God still argues u never say faked?
I am talking to a lying serpent you
Waste my time
Twist and turn liar
(23-03-2024, 12:53 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]God wills that we must refrain from eating pork or blood. If you obey, you're a Muslim. It's that simple.
On a side note, whenever my Chinese friends ask me why we don't eat pork, my answer is always "Because God says don't and God didn't explain why." I will never say pork is dirty coz that is purely conjecture to say that.
I am not a Muslim u goon!
How can u force people be a Muslim really siao lung!
(23-03-2024, 12:57 AM)Lukongsimi Wrote: [ -> ]You said our bible is not from God still argues u never say faked?
I am talking to a lying serpent you
Waste my time
Most learned Christians I know will agree with me that the Bible is not the words of God or not from God and that is what I've said.
I did not say fake.
Do you notice that I get a lot of abuse from 2 Christians here? You're one of them.
(23-03-2024, 12:59 AM)Lukongsimi Wrote: [ -> ]I am not a Muslim u goon!
Of course you're not a Muslim coz you eat pork.
(23-03-2024, 12:59 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]Most learned Christians I know will agree with me that the Bible is not the words of God or not from God and that is what I've said.
I did not say fake.
Do you notice that I get a lot of abuse from 2 Christians here? You're one of them.
Same as saying faked
How to treat a liar with courtesy ?
(23-03-2024, 01:03 AM)Lukongsimi Wrote: [ -> ]Same as saying faked
How to treat a liar with courtesy ?
Whatever, I didn't say fake. I am merely telling you what YOUR scholars have opined.
And I have never said a lie here.
I don't expect courtesy but I would like civility.
Ok. Good night pengyu.
(23-03-2024, 01:08 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]Whatever, I didn't say fake. I am merely telling you what YOUR scholars have opined.
And I have never said a lie here.
I don't expect courtesy but I would like civility.
Ok. Good night pengyu.
Of course u side yourself
Exalts yourself as nice person in fact all lies to trap us go against our faith!
(22-03-2024, 11:13 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]The Quran is God's words, not the angel Gabriel.
Who do you think is the author of the Quran?
Yes it is God's words, but Gabriel did not deliver it to Muhammad. No one did.
So it is not from God. Muhammad pen it himself.
(23-03-2024, 12:59 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]Most learned Christians I know will agree with me that the Bible is not the words of God or not from God and that is what I've said.
I did not say fake.
Do you notice that I get a lot of abuse from 2 Christians here? You're one of them.
Where did I abuse you? Please show me!
(23-03-2024, 12:59 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]Most learned Christians I know will agree with me that the Bible is not the words of God or not from God and that is what I've said.
I did not say fake.
Do you notice that I get a lot of abuse from 2 Christians here? You're one of them.
If you say it is not from God then it is not real therefore it is fake. There is no 2 ways my friend...
The Truth is you my friend has lost your motivation to pray...you wanted to give your God that extra something during ramadan....you needed a jolt a push from us.
(23-03-2024, 12:59 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]Most learned Christians I know will agree with me that the Bible is not the words of God or not from God and that is what I've said.
I did not say fake.
Do you notice that I get a lot of abuse from 2 Christians here? You're one of them.
When God says pray 50 times a day...then his words are final! You don talk to moses go up and down the heavens 9 times to negotiate with God to finally reduce to 5 times. God is not fickle.
Why is Muhammad able to see God face to face? No human can see God from near.
So the hadith is not real...it is just a story book.
(23-03-2024, 02:38 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]If you say it is not from God then it is not real therefore it is fake. There is no 2 ways my friend...
The Truth is you my friend has lost your motivation to pray...you wanted to give your God that extra something during ramadan....you needed a jolt a push from us.
Faith is you believing the Bible is from God. I don't believe that. Is that equal to me saying the Bible is fake? I disagree. I am very careful not to use such words to describe your holy book.
Hope you have a nice weekend.
(23-03-2024, 07:18 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]When God says pray 50 times a day...then his words are final! You don talk to moses go up and down the heavens 9 times to negotiate with God to finally reduce to 5 times. God is not fickle.
Why is Muhammad able to see God face to face? No human can see God from near.
So the hadith is not real...it is just a story book.
Our scholars say God was veiled in that meeting. Read the article I gave you a few days ago.
(23-03-2024, 06:37 AM)Lukongsimi Wrote: [ -> ]
In the book of Matthew chapter 12 starting from verse 22, Jesus gave a teaching that confirms the Quran is NOT from satan.
If you want me to explain, I can start typing an explanation. But enough for now that the NT will refute that video.
(23-03-2024, 02:23 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]Where did I abuse you? Please show me!
Not you.
I have been abused by Lukongsimi and that other Christian here.
(23-03-2024, 02:20 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]Yes it is God's words, but Gabriel did not deliver it to Muhammad. No one did.
So it is not from God. Muhammad pen it himself.
If Muhammad was the author of the Quran, how did he get a historical fact right while the Bible was wrong about the meeting between Prophet Joseph and the ruler of Egypt?
That fact that Prophet Joseph did not meet a Pharoah is clear proof that the Quran is from God. We only know in modern times that during Prophet Joseph's time, there was no Pharoah yet the Bible said Prophet Joseph met with a Pharoah while the Quran said Prophet Joseph met with a king.
Btw, both the Quran and the Bible state that Prophet Moses met with a Pharoah and both are correct because at the time of Moses, the ruler of Egypt was known as a Pharoah.
(23-03-2024, 10:50 AM)Lukongsimi Wrote: [ -> ]U abused my faith!
Lagi worse!
You obviously don't know what is abuse.
I don't believe what you believe. That is not abuse.
Calling me snakes and vulgar names is abusive.
(23-03-2024, 10:56 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]You obviously don't know what is abuse.
I don't believe what you believe. That is not abuse.
Calling me snakes and vulgar names is abusive.
U abuse my religion I have to thank u is it?
U feel too sensitive then shut up loh
(23-03-2024, 10:43 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]Our scholars say God was veiled in that meeting. Read the article I gave you a few days ago.
Narrated 'Ikrimah: that Ibn 'Abbas said: "Muhammad saw his Lord." I said: "Did Allah not say: No vision can grasp Him, but He grasps all vision (6:103). He said: "Woe unto you! That is when He manifests His Light (in this world). But Muhammad saw his Lord two times." (Chapter on Tafsir - Jami Tirmidhi)
Muslim recorded that Abu Dharr said, "I asked the Messenger of Allah`Have you seen your Lord' He said ‘I only saw a light.’ (Tafsir Ibn Kathir Did the Prophet see His Lord during the Night of Isra)
After reading the above what occurs to the mind is that why the Prophet had given different answers to different persons around him. The best answer I believe is by Sheikh Irshad Chishti of South Africa in his booklet called Mir’aj - Seeing the Essence of God:
(23-03-2024, 10:47 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]Not you.
I have been abused by Lukongsimi and that other Christian here.
OK my bad...be clear from the beginning my friend
(23-03-2024, 11:00 AM)Lukongsimi Wrote: [ -> ]U abuse my religion I have to thank u is it?
U feel too sensitive then shut up loh
I am not at all offended if you tell me why you don't believe what I believe.
But both of you are offended when I explain why I don't believe what you believe.
(23-03-2024, 11:05 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]I am not all offended if you tell me why you don't believe what I believe.
But both of you are offended when I explain why I don't believe what you believe.
The way u speak twist until like nothing offensive but it is indeed very offensive
Same as the serpent who deceived Adam n eve
If I believe u must be very stupid
Nowadsys lots of scammers
Your fren hope is not wild like u
How come?
(23-03-2024, 11:01 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]Narrated 'Ikrimah: that Ibn 'Abbas said: "Muhammad saw his Lord." I said: "Did Allah not say: No vision can grasp Him, but He grasps all vision (6:103). He said: "Woe unto you! That is when He manifests His Light (in this world). But Muhammad saw his Lord two times." (Chapter on Tafsir - Jami Tirmidhi)
Muslim recorded that Abu Dharr said, "I asked the Messenger of Allah`Have you seen your Lord' He said ‘I only saw a light.’ (Tafsir Ibn Kathir Did the Prophet see His Lord during the Night of Isra)
After reading the above what occurs to the mind is that why the Prophet had given different answers to different persons around him. The best answer I believe is by Sheikh Irshad Chishti of South Africa in his booklet called Mir’aj - Seeing the Essence of God:
So many versions of the hadith?
In short the angels can only see Allah in light form.. muhammad can see him with his naked eyes!! Woow!
The key here is "The Prophet had given different answers to different persons around him".
That means he is not trustworthy.
My friend, let's give weekends a break man..enjoy your break!
U believe what u believe
I believe what I believe
Why must u force people to walk the same path as u?
I believe according to my heart desires
Not from a man who only read and study from man
Man has own mouth says what is their mouth n why must I believe a man instead of God?
Use brain
Instead of always disputing the differences between the quran and Bible, why can't you find common grounds that both our religions agreed.
(23-03-2024, 12:49 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]Muslim is an Arabic term, meaning one who does the will of God. I will give you another verse. Jesus said "Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven."
So there, I've shown you two verses from the NT in which Jesus spoke about Muslims.
So which Lord will u call upon?
(23-03-2024, 11:14 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]So many versions of the hadith?
In short the angels can only see Allah in light form.. muhammad can see him with his naked eyes...
The key here is "The Prophet had given different answers to different persons around him".
That means he is not trustworthy.
My friend, let's give weekends a break man..enjoy your break!
I'm actually in Zoom meeting now. LOL
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