SG Talk

Some of you are trying real hard to discredit my person but not addressing my arguments.

You want to kill the messenger because you don't like the message.

(27-03-2024, 11:59 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]Yes, I will stop all these discussions from now. Waste time only. Religious discussion is sensitive issue...if badly manage..the authorities will come knocking on the door.


Ali can find something else to feed his ego.. 
Word of advice - Do not anyhow quote from the Bible and interpret it from your muslim perspectives.I suggest you register and attend Bible classes so that you will better understand the Bible. 

Very close to Jesus' time, the Book of Revelations was written and we are warned not to delete, add, or edit God's Word.  Paul was guided by the Holy Spirit, and the Bible is complete, with an OT and a NT.

If someone comes along a few hundred years later, and says Paul was a liar, Paul contradicted Jesus' words and that someone "proves" it with his own interpretation of the Bible, we need to be careful with talking to such a person.

Many things said in the NT can only be understood by cross-checking what was said in the OT.  Other things said in the OT need to be checked against something said EARLIER in the OT.  Lifting a verse in isolation to "prove" a point is to misrepresent it, to mislead peepur by quoting that verse out of its context, and that is what he who must not be mentioned is doing.

The Bible is finished, and there is no reason why God has to have another Bible by whatever name it is being called, to tell us that ugh! Jesus was a prophet,  He didn't die, and even if He did, it was not needed.  We have been fooled by not only Paul but also Peter, James et al, who by the way, could not agree with each other.  Believe Peter, don't believe Paul, but as to Jesus' Death on the Cross ugh! don't even believe Peter this time.  If it suits your agenda, believes selectively.  If it does not, disbelieve selectively.  And you'd win your case.

You just say sorry, and God will let you off.  He is merciful.  If in doubt, read Ezekiel.  Adam is a living proof.

So saith the Gospel of Ali Imran.

(27-03-2024, 12:24 PM)Oyk Wrote: [ -> ]If someone comes along a few hundred years later, and says Paul was a liar, Paul contradicted Jesus' words and that someone "proves" it with his own interpretation of the Bible, we need to be careful with talking to such a person.

We don't have to wait a few hundred years.

All Christian scholars acknowledged the disagreement between St Paul and St Peter, in their lifetime. Read Galatians 2.

(27-03-2024, 11:59 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]Yes, I will stop all these discussions from now. Waste time only. Religious discussion is sensitive issue...if badly manage..the authorities will come knocking on the door.


Ali can find something else to feed his ego.. 
Word of advice - Do not anyhow quote from the Bible and interpret it from your muslim perspectives.I suggest you register and attend Bible classes so that you will better understand the Bible. 

Yes better stop 
His motive is to get someone to let him mock the Bible

(27-03-2024, 01:00 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote: [ -> ]Yes better stop 
His motive is to get someone to let him mock the Bible

Ali loves the Bible so much that he hates to admit it 
That's why everyday find problems.

(27-03-2024, 01:27 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]Ali loves the Bible so much that he hates to admit it 
That's why everyday find problems.

Think so
lol

(27-03-2024, 01:27 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]Ali loves the Bible so much that he hates to admit it 
That's why everyday find problems.

I'm only highlighting what your scholars have found in the Bible. Be clear about that. I am not a scholar of the Bible and I only quote to you what your Christian scholars have said.

According to Dr Daniel Wallace, a Christian should not place 100% trust in the New Testament nor be a total skeptic about it. I assume he meant that you should find a sweet spot where you can ignore the problems and concentrate on the "good" part alone.

I wonder if you agree with him.

(27-03-2024, 01:57 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]I'm only highlighting what your scholars have found in the Bible. Be clear about that. I am not a scholar of the Bible and I only quote to you what your Christian scholars have said.

According to Dr Daniel Wallace, a Christian should not place 100% trust in the New Testament nor be a total skeptic about it. I assume he meant that you should find a sweet spot where you can ignore the problems and concentrate on the "good" part alone.

I wonder if you agree with him.

I don know who is this Dr Daniel Wallace and I have never read what he wrote.
So no comment.   

You will always find an article or something that will suit your agenda. 
You refused or have never talk about your quran strongly suggested that you have fallen out of love with it.

My friend, pls spend more time strengthening your Islamic faith during this Ramadan period.

(27-03-2024, 02:21 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]I don know who is this Dr Daniel Wallace and I have never read what he wrote.
So no comment.   

You will always find an article or something that will suit your agenda. 
You refused or have never talk about your quran strongly suggested that you have fallen out of love with it.

My friend, pls spend more time strengthening your Islamic faith during this Ramadan period.

I've given you anecdotes from the Quran but you ignored them. And yet you keep saying I refused to talk about the Quran. 

Have you lost your integrity?

(27-03-2024, 01:00 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote: [ -> ]Yes better stop 
His motive is to get someone to let him mock the Bible

And if you kick his balls, he will report to the mod (in edmw) and get peepur bend.

Over there, even the mods had to be very careful with him and didn't dare to lock the thread.  After others had been bend ten times, he was finally only bend once, and that was only because he finally broke a forum rule, and not because he made fun of Christianity as a Muslim.

(27-03-2024, 01:57 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]I'm only highlighting what your scholars have found in the Bible. Be clear about that. I am not a scholar of the Bible and I only quote to you what your Christian scholars have said.

According to Dr Daniel Wallace, a Christian should not place 100% trust in the New Testament nor be a total skeptic about it. I assume he meant that you should find a sweet spot where you can ignore the problems and concentrate on the "good" part alone.

I wonder if you agree with him.

(27-03-2024, 02:55 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]I've given you anecdotes from the Quran but you ignored them. And yet you keep saying I refused to talk about the Quran. 

Have you lost your integrity?

Why quarrel over the Bible and Quran leh?  You must be too free lah Ali, my friend!

(27-03-2024, 03:39 PM)cheekopekman Wrote: [ -> ]Why quarrel over the Bible and Quran leh?  You must be too free lah Ali, my friend!

I'm not quarreling. They are having quarrels with me because they don't like their faith critically questioned. 

And yes, I am free.

Please lah my friend, don pretend to use God to spread your words...you have never spread his words...the quotes from the quran are to refute my claims...

Most of the time, you are just trying to find faults with the Bible and then trying to justify your own cause.

(27-03-2024, 03:49 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not quarreling. They are having quarrels with me because they don't like their faith critically questioned. 

And yes, I am free.

Your questions are seemingly endless... like a pit hole with no bottom.
Don drag me in...

Like I say, pls direct your endless questions to the pastors who are in a more appropriate position to answer you.

(27-03-2024, 02:58 PM)Oyk Wrote: [ -> ]And if you kick his balls, he will report to the mod (in edmw) and get peepur bend.

Over there, even the mods had to be very careful with him and didn't dare to lock the thread.  After others had been bend ten times, he was finally only bend once, and that was only because he finally broke a forum rule, and not because he made fun of Christianity as a Muslim.

Some how Ali refuse to spar with you. He knows he is dealing with a kung-fu master.
Interestingly He did not refute your statements

(27-03-2024, 03:55 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]Please lah my friend, don pretend to use God to spread your words...you have never spread his words...the quotes from the quran are to refute my claims...

Most of the time, you are just trying to find faults with the Bible and then trying to justify your own cause.

Ok.

When I told you about the meetings of the prophets and the rulers of Egypt, it wasn't to refute any claim but to show you the unassailable fact that proves historical accuracy.

Yet, you didn't comment at all and just ignore it. Perhaps you would like to comment on it now.

(27-03-2024, 04:03 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]Some how Ali refuse to spar with you. He knows he is dealing with a kung-fu master.
Interestingly He did not refute your statements

You obviously don't mind losing your integrity just to badmouth me.

(27-03-2024, 04:08 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]Ok.

When I told you about the meetings of the prophets and the rulers of Egypt, it wasn't to refute any claim but to show you the unassailable fact that proves historical accuracy.

Yet, you didn't comment at all and just ignore it. Perhaps you would like to comment on it now.

I might have overlooked...
My answers will hold no weight if you have a biase mind..isn't it.

(27-03-2024, 04:10 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]You obviously don't mind losing your integrity just to badmouth me.

But you chose to ignore a claim against you.
I was just puzzled.

(27-03-2024, 04:14 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]But you chose to ignore a claim against you.
I was just puzzled.

I usually ignore ad hominem. No point in replying to such attacks. 

I've replied to at least one of his postings but he hasn't gotten back to me.

(27-03-2024, 04:12 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]I might have overlooked...
My answers will hold no weight if you have a biase mind..isn't it.

There is this thing known as intellectual integrity.

If you can prove anything I've said as false and I can no longer counter-argue, I must admit you've proven it false. That's called intellectual integrity.

My reputation is important to me. I will not lie or spread falsehood intentionally. And I will always maintain intellectual integrity.

(27-03-2024, 04:22 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]There is this thing known as intellectual integrity.

If you can prove anything I've said as false and I can no longer counter-argue, I must admit you've proven it false. That's called intellectual integrity.

My reputation is important to me. I will not lie or spread falsehood intentionally. And I will always maintain intellectual integrity.

When you mentioned that you are OK with me for not believing in the meeting between Allah and Muhammad ...I assured you I will no longer bring it up.

What upsets me the most is that you time and time again brought up the question and doubts of the Holy trinity. I told you i am OK if you do not believe but you didn't let it pass. 

Pls keep the integrity to yourself

(27-03-2024, 04:39 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]When you mentioned that you are OK with me for not believing in the meeting between Allah and Muhammad ...I assured you I will no longer bring it up.

What upsets me the most is that you time and time again brought up the question and doubts of the Holy trinity. I told you i am OK if you do not believe but you didn't let it pass. 

Pls keep the integrity to yourself

If I tell you that Jesus or any of the previous prophets never taught the Trinity, would you agree with me? If you agree, then okay, end of story.

(27-03-2024, 04:49 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]If I tell you that Jesus or any of the previous prophets never taught the Trinity, would you agree with me? If you agree, then okay, end of story.

Look ...I have never force it onto you...I just gave you an eg of the Trinity being a liquid water that can come in the form of water vapor and ice. Alot of things the human minds cannot grasp...if you don believe I respect but please move on...end of story!

(27-03-2024, 05:00 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]Look ...I have never force it onto you...I just gave you an eg of the Trinity being a liquid water that can come in the form of water vapor and ice. Alot of things the human minds cannot grasp...if you don believe I respect but please move on...end of story!

When you use the analogy of water vapor and ice, you have fallen into a heresy known as modalistic monarchianism or commonly known as Sabellianism heresy. Google it if you want to learn more. When you say God can change modes, that Sabellianism heresy.

Please don't shoot me. I am just the messenger. I didn't come up with all that.
https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-...bellianism

(27-03-2024, 05:20 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]When you use the analogy of water vapor and ice, you have fallen into a heresy known as modalistic monarchianism or commonly known as Sabellianism heresy. Google it if you want to learn more. When you say God can change modes, that Sabellianism heresy.

Please don't shoot me. I am just the messenger. I didn't come up with all that.
https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-...bellianism

You a Muslim quoting from a catholic website  You believe in it?
Nonetheless Catholics believe in one single God, who made himself known to the world (revelation) as three separate persons: God the Father, God the Son (Jesus) and God the Holy Spirit. This is known as the doctrine of the Trinity, and is a fundamental belief for all Catholics.

See I told you you will believe

(27-03-2024, 05:28 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]You a Muslim quoting from a catholic website  You believe in it?
Nonetheless Catholics believe in one single God, who made himself known to the world (revelation) as three separate persons: God the Father, God the Son (Jesus) and God the Holy Spirit. This is known as the doctrine of the Trinity, and is a fundamental belief for all Catholics.

See I told you you will believe

Yes, I am clear about that doctrine and I hope you now know that you cannot use that analogy to explain the Trinity.

I've asked you this already. How do you reconcile that statement of Jesus who said the Father is the only true God?

(27-03-2024, 05:44 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]Yes, I am clear about that doctrine and I hope you now know that you cannot use that analogy to explain the Trinity.

I've asked you this already. How do you reconcile that statement of Jesus who said the Father is the only true God?

The Catholics claim that I cannot use that analogy?? but my denomination is Lutheran..nothing to do with the Catholics. 
If you lay in support for their claim..surely you also believe in the Trinity.

Nothing to reconcile with that statement that "Jesus god in the flesh said the Father is the only true god

https://www.gotquestions.org/God-in-the-flesh.html

In case you are lazy to read

In John 14:9-10, Jesus said, "Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work."

I don want to go in circles anymore my friend. You believe in the trinity or not doesn't bother me.. I am tired, pls spare me. But if you want to continue,  make no mistake that I will unleash the kung-fu master Oyk without hesitation 

His kung-fu is real.