(14-03-2024, 02:01 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote: [ -> ]U are the one complain about God it’s your mind can’t accept not me
Yes, I am talking about me. How can I worship God with all my mind when the mind that God gave me cannot accept the 1+1+1=1 logic? Or how can I believe the authors of the Gospels when God already said he hates human sacrifice and the author of the Gospels wants me to believe that God would sacrifice a human himself.
(14-03-2024, 02:04 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]Yes, I am talking about me. How can I worship God with all my mind when the mind that God gave me cannot accept the 1+1+1=1 logic? Or how can I believe the authors of the Gospels when God already said he hates human sacrifice and the author of the Gospels wants me to believe that God would sacrifice a human himself.
Sacrifice own children to idols is wrong
Jesus was crucified to die for humanity sin n He was resurrected back to life
He is still alive.
If you sacrifice your children,they will not resurrected , mati!
So far there is no one righteous on earth to be sacrifial lamb, Jesus has to do it.
(14-03-2024, 02:10 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote: [ -> ]Sacrifice own children to idols is wrong
Jesus was crucified to die for humanity sin n He was resurrected back to life
He is still alive.
If you sacrifice your children,they will not resurrected , mati!
So far there is no one righteous on earth to be sacrifial lamb, Jesus has to do it.
Yes, God made it clear that God hates if we sacrifice our sons but yet, the authors of the Gospels want me to believe God MUST do what God hates because there is no other way to save the sinners than by sacrificing God's own son.
My mind cannot wrap around that contradiction. I am sure your mind also cannot wrap around it if you think it through but then, do you even think about it? Or do you just believe blindly?
(14-03-2024, 02:04 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]Yes, I am talking about me. How can I worship God with all my mind when the mind that God gave me cannot accept the 1+1+1=1 logic? Or how can I believe the authors of the Gospels when God already said he hates human sacrifice and the author of the Gospels wants me to believe that God would sacrifice a human himself.
Channel your doubts to a spiritual leader. He will have answer for you.
(14-03-2024, 02:19 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]Channel your doubts to a spiritual leader. He will have answer for you.
I am already a believer in God. I believe in the God of Jesus, Moses, Isaac, Jacob, and Abraham. I worship God and God alone, without associating any partners with God.
I read the Bible and I see God as most-forgiving in the OT, exactly as how I see God in the Quran, most-forgiving. But the authors of the NT paint a different picture of God, a God that is cruel and unforgiving, who won't forgive me unless he torture and kill his own son in a cruel and unjust manner.
Peace and blessings be upon all the mighty prophets of God mentioned here.
(14-03-2024, 02:26 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]I am already a believer in God. I believe in the God of Jesus, Moses, Isaac, Jacob, and Abraham. I worship God and God alone, without associating any partners with God.
I read the Bible and I see God as most-forgiving in the OT, exactly as how I see God in the Quran, most-forgiving. But the authors of the NT paint a different picture of God, a God that is cruel and unforgiving, who won't forgive me unless he torture and kill his own son in a cruel and unjust manner.
Peace and blessings be upon all the mighty prophets of God mentioned here.
You must be joking. God in the OT is most merciless and ruthless. Only in the NT then you see a transformation.
If pinkpanther is a righteous and responsible person, he would want to be responsible for his own wrongdoings and not make another person take the punishment instead.
(14-03-2024, 02:37 PM)Blasterlord2 Wrote: [ -> ]You must be joking. God in the OT is most merciless and ruthless. Only in the NT then you see a transformation.
In the OT, God says if we sincerely repent and mend our ways, he will forgive us and erase all our sins. That's mercy.
In the NT, God cannot do that and instead, God must punish an innocent man and make him pay for all my sins. That is not only merciless but also unjust.
(14-03-2024, 02:16 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]Yes, God made it clear that God hates if we sacrifice our sons but yet, the authors of the Gospels want me to believe God MUST do what God hates because there is no other way to save the sinners than by sacrificing God's own son.
My mind cannot wrap around that contradiction. I am sure your mind also cannot wrap around it if you think it through but then, do you even think about it? Or do you just believe blindly?
Are u unhappy that we have a savior?
N u don’t have ?
(14-03-2024, 02:44 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]In the OT, God says if we sincerely repent and mend our ways, he will forgive us and erase all our sins. That's mercy.
In the NT, God cannot do that and instead, God must punish an innocent man and make him pay for all my sins. That is not only merciless but also unjust.
You'd better go and read your OT again. There're many instances of god punishing people in OT without giving them a chance to repent. And worse still, many of those may even be innocent but are just killed as collateral damage.
Dun try to convince me. You're entitled to your view and I'm entitled to mine.
(14-03-2024, 02:44 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]In the OT, God says if we sincerely repent and mend our ways, he will forgive us and erase all our sins. That's mercy.
In the NT, God cannot do that and instead, God must punish an innocent man and make him pay for all my sins. That is not only merciless but also unjust.
In the OT man have to sacrifice animal blood for sin atonement
In NT
Jesus is the sacrificial lamb once for all
So we no need to go and buy animal
How come Muslim still under mosaic law need to sacrifice animal?
(14-03-2024, 02:44 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote: [ -> ]Are u unhappy that we have a savior?
N u don’t have ?
Why would I be unhappy if I believe you're being led astray into thinking Jesus is your savior? I am not responsible for you.
Btw, my lord is my savior. My lord is the God of Jesus, aka the Father, aka God.
(14-03-2024, 02:51 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote: [ -> ]In the OT man have to sacrifice animal blood for sin atonement
In NT
Jesus is the sacrificial lamb once for all
So we no need to go and buy animal
How come Muslim still under mosaic law need to sacrifice animal?
Think about this properly.
In the OT, the sacrifice is for unintentional sins. If you commit a sin purposely, you cannot just sacrifice to make that sin go away. If you commit adultery for example, you must be stoned to death. You cannot just go to the temple and make a sacrifice and your adultery will go away. It doesn't work that way.
And, if you cannot afford an animal, you can use flour instead as the sacrificial lamb, and flour doesn't have blood.
We Muslims sacrifice animals during Eidul Adha in commemoration.
(14-03-2024, 02:50 PM)Blasterlord2 Wrote: [ -> ]You'd better go and read your OT again. There're many instances of god punishing people in OT without giving them a chance to repent. And worse still, many of those may even be innocent but are just killed as collateral damage.
Dun try to convince me. You're entitled to your view and I'm entitled to mine.
Some people don't deserve God's mercy.
Would you agree with God if God is merciful to the person who while on earth kill women and children as a sport?
(14-03-2024, 02:52 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]Why would I be unhappy if I believe you're being led astray into thinking Jesus is your savior? I am not responsible for you.
Btw, my lord is my savior. My lord is the God of Jesus, aka the Father, aka God.
In the beginning there is the word and the word is with God and the word is God
(14-03-2024, 02:58 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote: [ -> ]In the beginning there is the word and the word is with God and the word is God
Why shouldn't you be responsible for your wrongdoings? Why would you accept the idea of someone else being forced to pay for your wrongdoings?
(14-03-2024, 03:01 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote: [ -> ]Huh
How come Muslim can marry more than 4 wives ?
Is it not adultery?
No, it is not adultery. God did not forbid it.
Many of the great prophets of God were polygamous.
(14-03-2024, 03:02 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]Why shouldn't you be responsible for your wrongdoings? Why would you accept the idea of someone else being forced to pay for your wrongdoings?
So u willing to nose dive into the bottomless pit
for your self righteousness unwilling to accept Christ as savior ?
Very brave but stupid
(14-03-2024, 02:38 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]If pinkpanther is a righteous and responsible person, he would want to be responsible for his own wrongdoings and not make another person take the punishment instead.
God has plans...say if someone took the punishment for you Ali Imran...eventually you will have to pay your dues one way or the other...
(14-03-2024, 03:12 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]God has plans...say if someone took the punishment for you Ali Imran...eventually you will have to pay your dues one way or the other...
What would you teach your children? Surely you will teach them to be responsible for their own wrongdoings.
What do you think is the fruit of such a doctrine that teaches you to accept other people paying for your wrongdoings?
(14-03-2024, 03:11 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote: [ -> ]So u willing to nose dive into the bottomless pit
for your self righteousness unwilling to accept Christ as savior ?
Very brave but stupid
I'm very much in need of a savior. I've made many mistakes in life.
But Jesus is not my savior. He even said he wasn't sent for me but only to the children of Israel.
But alas, Jesus said to go directly to God and I am doing exactly that while you're doing something totally different.
(14-03-2024, 02:57 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]Some people don't deserve God's mercy.
Would you agree with God if God is merciful to the person who while on earth kill women and children as a sport?
So you think that all Egypt's first born child dun deserve mercy? Well-done. What a compassionate god you have.
(14-03-2024, 03:23 PM)Blasterlord2 Wrote: [ -> ]So you think that all Egypt's first born child dun deserve mercy? Well-done. What a compassionate god you have.
I don't believe that. I am not a Christian.
In Islam, the evil Pharoah killed those children, not God.
(14-03-2024, 03:25 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]I don't believe that. I am not a Christian.
In Islam, the evil Pharoah killed those children, not God.
You dun have to believe that. You just need to check it with the old testament.
(14-03-2024, 03:21 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]I'm very much in need of a savior. I've made many mistakes in life.
But Jesus is not my savior. He even said he wasn't sent for me but only to the children of Israel.
But alas, Jesus said to go directly to God and I am doing exactly that while you're doing something totally different.
Just do what your heart tells you...everyone makes mistakes..no one is perfect...if you do and find out later that you are wrong...say sorry or make it up. You pray 5 times a day..you know how it works!
(14-03-2024, 03:30 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]Just do what your heart tells you...everyone makes mistakes..no one is perfect...if you do and find out later that you are wrong...say sorry or make it up. You pray 5 times a day..you know how it works!
In the month of Ramadan, we pray like 50 times more.
Anyway, thank you for not being too offended by what I wrote about your faith. You're broad minded.
(14-03-2024, 02:37 PM)Blasterlord2 Wrote: [ -> ]You must be joking. God in the OT is most merciless and ruthless. Only in the NT then you see a transformation.
bro you ED already still got what transformation?
(14-03-2024, 03:21 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]I'm very much in need of a savior. I've made many mistakes in life.
But Jesus is not my savior. He even said he wasn't sent for me but only to the children of Israel.
But alas, Jesus said to go directly to God and I am doing exactly that while you're doing something totally different.
Yes but later Paul was chosen by Jesus Christ to lead the gentiles us to reunite with God
Your Bible is different what u learnt is different
Argue until cow comes home still same replies
(14-03-2024, 03:21 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]I'm very much in need of a savior. I've made many mistakes in life.
But Jesus is not my savior. He even said he wasn't sent for me but only to the children of Israel.
But alas, Jesus said to go directly to God and I am doing exactly that while you're doing something totally different.
Jesus is God lah! Jesus said that He and His Father are ONE lah!
You can go directly to Him now lah! Glad for you lah!
(14-03-2024, 04:07 PM)cheekopekman Wrote: [ -> ]Jesus is God lah! Jesus said that He and His Father are ONE lah! You can go directly to Him now lah! Glad for you lah!
Jesus said the disciples and the father are also one. Does that mean the disciples are all gods?