(24-05-2025, 10:20 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]He is a propaganda tool for moslems to advocate their cause.... let's not kid each other
In that case, not only Bart Ehrman. We can bring in every Christian NT scholar who made the same findings.
(24-05-2025, 10:34 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]The same can be said about the moslems ..
They don believe in the Quran ..back during my BMT...about 10 moslems but only around 5 performed prayers..
You are confusing faith and obedience.
Did you ask them if they believe in the Quran as the word of God?
(24-05-2025, 10:33 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]What about forgeries?
it's not a consensus among biblical scholars.
Many scholars strongly disagree with the forgery theory, asserting that the New Testament books are authentic and written by their traditionally attributed authors....so how can you Imam Zed prove that? You have the original manuscripts with you now?
(24-05-2025, 10:39 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]it's not a consensus among biblical scholars.
Many scholars strongly disagree with the forgery theory, asserting that the New Testament books are authentic and written by their traditionally attributed authors....so how can you Imam Zed prove that? You have the original manuscripts with you now?
1 John 5:7.
Almost all Bibles have already removed that verse because it is a forgery. But yes, 1 Bible still insists on leaving it there.
(24-05-2025, 10:35 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]In that case, not only Bart Ehrman. We can bring in every Christian NT scholar who made the same findings.
Pls use other scholar..
Why are moslems going to Bart and not the Christians? you know why..
(24-05-2025, 10:39 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]it's not a consensus among biblical scholars.
Many scholars strongly disagree with the forgery theory, asserting that the New Testament books are authentic and written by their traditionally attributed authors....so how can you Imam Zed prove that? You have the original manuscripts with you now?
I only go by what NT scholars have found. I am not a scholar. Don't shoot the messenger.
(24-05-2025, 10:42 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]I only go by what NT scholars have found. I am not a scholar. Don't shoot the messenger.
There are many messengers...are you picking the right ones
(24-05-2025, 10:42 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]Pls use other scholar..
Why are moslems going to Bart and not the Christians? you know why..
Of course the Christians don't quote Bart Ehrman.
But do note that whenever Bart Ehrman holds a talk, the audience is mainly Christians. His books are bestsellers in the US, not the Muslim world. Most Muslims have never heard of Bart Ehrman.
(24-05-2025, 10:37 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]You are confusing faith and obedience.
Did you ask them if they believe in the Quran as the word of God?
So it is not in your faith to pray?
How can a moslem be obedient without faith?
(24-05-2025, 10:44 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]Of course the Christians don't quote Bart Ehrman.
But do note that whenever Bart Ehrman holds a talk, the audience is mainly Christians. His books are bestsellers in the US, not the Muslim world. Most Muslims have never heard of Bart Ehrman.
You sure most moslems have never heard about bart? Then hơw you know him? Look ...moslem apologists like to use his works to attack Christians .let us at least be honest ..you are also using his works to attack us...so that makes you a bias person. Period
Why is a moslem apologist speaking to bart ..pls use intellect and logic?
(24-05-2025, 09:35 AM)The pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]When SimTan asked you about the muddy spring, you responded with over twenty lines, but when I inquired about shooting stars and the enforcement of faith, you only provided a single line.
I dismiss your reply ...it is non existence
I salute to u for having the patience to teach the Moslem the gospel
Cheers 👍🏻
(24-05-2025, 10:50 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]You sure most moslems have never heard about bart? Then hơw you know him? Look ...moslem apologists like to use his works to attack Christians .let us at least be honest ..you are also using his works to attack us...so that makes you a bias person. Period
Why is a moslem apologist speaking to bart ..pls use intellect and logic?
There are over 1 billion Muslims.
You want to challenge my statement by citing 1 or 2 Muslims? Are you sure?
(24-05-2025, 10:53 AM)Lukongsimi Wrote: [ -> ]I salute to u for having the patience to teach the Moslem the gospel
Cheers 👍🏻
I also salute you for your belief in Christ lah
(24-05-2025, 10:47 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]So it is not in your faith to pray?
How can a moslem be obedient without faith?
You said the Muslims with you didn't pray. That's disobedience and you confuse disobedience with faith.
Did you ask them if they believe in the Quran being the word of God?
(24-05-2025, 10:54 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]There are over 1 billion Muslims.
You want to challenge my statement with 1 or 2 Muslims? Are you sure?
I don speak for the 1 billion moslems but my current sample size is 2 ..you and Hope and yes..Hope knows Bart ...
(24-05-2025, 10:59 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]I don speak for the 1 billion moslems but my current sample size is 2 ..you and Hope and yes..Hope knows Bart ...
When I said "most Muslims" I mean the 1 billion Muslims.
Almost all my immediate friends have never heard of Bart Ehrman and have never read the Bible.
I ask you what is a moslem apologist doing with a Biblical scholar ...it has nothing to do with Islam...what questions is he asking . Take a look for god sake ..these contents are found in YouTube...who watches his contents . The moslems!
If you want to have a proper discussion..let us be honest...bring me another scholar' opinion to prove that you are not bias then
(24-05-2025, 11:03 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]I ask you what is a moslem apologist doing with a Biblical scholar ...it has nothing to do with Islam...what questions is he asking . Take a look for god sake ..these contents are found in YouTube...who watches his contents . The moslems!
If you want to have a proper discussion..let us be honest...bring me another scholar' opinion to prove that you are not bias then
Ok. The youtube videos garnered like, say 50,000 views. Not all of them are Muslims but let's say they are all Muslims.
50,000 against 1 billion. Am I right to say MOST Muslims don't watch that video?
(24-05-2025, 11:03 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]When I said "most Muslims" I mean the 1 billion Muslims.
Almost all my immediate friends have never heard of Bart Ehrman and have never read the Bible.
How many moslem friends did you ask?
My moslem friends here have heard of Bart...it is 100% albeit a modest sample size
(24-05-2025, 11:07 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]How many moslem friends did you ask?
My moslem friends here have heard of Bart...it is 100% albeit a modest sample size
When I said MOST MUSLIMS, am I referring to the Muslims here in this forum?
(24-05-2025, 11:07 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]Ok. The youtube videos garnered like, say 50,000 views. Not all of them are Muslims but let's say they are all Muslims.
50,000 against 1 billion. Am I right to say MOST Muslims don't watch that video?
You are so wrong...yes it is only 50k that is only one video and there are many videos of moslems using Bart for teaching purposes...his words will be orally transmitted and memorise by moslems to spread their propaganda
(24-05-2025, 11:08 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]When I said MOST MUSLIMS, am I referring to the Muslims here in this forum?
Well ..the moslems that I knew Bart are here...that is a honest answer
(24-05-2025, 11:11 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]You are so wrong...yes it is only 50k that is only one video and there are many videos of moslems using Bart for teaching purposes...his words will be orally transmitted and memorise by moslems to spread their propaganda
Don't you know that most of the videos are watched by the same people who have an interest in Muslim/Christian debates?
Anyhow, please go back to the original topic, the corruption in the Bible. When you say the Bible is reliable, please explain. Reliable how? Historically reliable? Logically reliable? Theologically reliable?
Don't treat me like a 7-year-old. You use Bart just like other Moslems who know him, to attack Christianity.
(24-05-2025, 11:14 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]Don't you know that most of the videos are watched by the same people who have an interest in Muslim/Christian debates?
Anyhow, please go back to the original topic, the corruption in the Bible. When you say the Bible is reliable, please explain. Reliable how? Historically reliable? Logically reliable? Theologically reliable?
There are many factors to determine reliability...but I'm not a master of them all..it is beyond our pay grade
(24-05-2025, 11:17 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]Don't treat me like a 7-year-old. You use Bart just like other Moslems who know him, to attack Christianity.
When did I ever deny that?
All I am saying is that Bart Ehrman's target audience is not the Muslim.
(24-05-2025, 11:19 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]There are many factors to determine reliability...but I'm not a master of them all..it is beyond our pay grade
So you just claim that the Bible is reliable without knowing how?
Do you always speak without knowledge?
(24-05-2025, 11:19 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]When did I ever deny that?
All I am saying is that Bart Ehrman's target audience is not the Muslim.
moslems are taking down notes listening attentively lah ..