Many of them became scholars, daees, and preachers, and their dedication to Islam will put born Muslims like me to shame.
From what I see there arr 2 options..
1) convert to christianity and there will be no more Shame
2) continue sinning more and ask Allah for forgiveness so that he will not replace you
(18-05-2025, 07:40 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]When you refer to the gospel, people know that you are referring to Matthew, mark, Luke and john
We ref to Injeel given to Jesus.
“Say, ˹O Prophet,˺ “O People of the Book! Do you resent us only because we believe in Allah and what has been revealed to us and what was revealed before—while most of you are rebellious?”Quran 5:59
(18-05-2025, 07:51 PM)Hope Wrote: [ -> ]We ref to Injeel given to Jesus.
Injeel is gospel in english
(18-05-2025, 07:45 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]Many of them became scholars, daees, and preachers, and their dedication to Islam will put born Muslims like me to shame.
From what I see there arr 2 options..
1) convert to christianity and there will be no more Shame
2) continue sinning more and ask Allah for forgiveness so that he will not replace you
No 2 Makes no sense.
Jesus taught go n sin no more
(18-05-2025, 07:42 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]He puasa 1.5 months
Strange go away to where?
(18-05-2025, 07:52 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]Injeel is gospel in english
Okay we believe “ Gospel given to Jesus “
Not “Gospel according to” Mark, Mathew, Luke, John
(18-05-2025, 07:57 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote: [ -> ]Strange go away to where? :
My work in another country.
(18-05-2025, 07:52 PM)Hope Wrote: [ -> ]“Say, ˹O Prophet,˺ “O People of the Book! Do you resent us only because we believe in Allah and what has been revealed to us and what was revealed before—while most of you are rebellious?”Quran 5:59
Surah Ali Imran, verse 54-55
˹Remember˺ when Allah said, “O Jesus! I will take you 1 and raise you up to Myself. I will deliver you from those who disbelieve,
and elevate your followers above the disbelievers until the Day of Judgment. Then to Me you will ˹all˺ return, and I will settle all your disputes.
Allah is right...the Christians are elevated to the number 1 religion worldwide
(18-05-2025, 07:59 PM)Hope Wrote: [ -> ]Okay we believe “ Gospel given to Jesus “
Not “Gospel according to” Mark, Mathew, Luke, John
It is the only Gospel that we have...if you are not referring to this..what else is called the gospel?.
(18-05-2025, 07:59 PM)Hope Wrote: [ -> ]Okay we believe “ Gospel given to Jesus “
Not “Gospel according to” Mark, Mathew, Luke, John
These gospels were written by his disciples who supported Allah.. according to your Quran
(18-05-2025, 07:59 PM)Hope Wrote: [ -> ]Okay we believe “ Gospel given to Jesus “
Not “Gospel according to” Mark, Mathew, Luke, John
(18-05-2025, 08:04 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]It is the only Gospel that we have...if you are not referring to this..what else is called the gospel?.
That’s your church problem, if they don’t have Gospel of Jesus.
Beside these four, there were other gospels too.
(18-05-2025, 08:07 PM)Hope Wrote: [ -> ]That’s your church problem, if they don’t have Gospel of Jesus.
Beside these four, there were other gospels too.
The Christians during Muhammad's time only have the OT and NT...nothing else..
Islam makes the claim about the Injil not the churches...so the burden of proof is on Islam to provide the evidences on its existent
(18-05-2025, 07:55 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote: [ -> ]No 2 Makes no sense.
Jesus taught go n sin no more
That is the differences between the Christian God and the Islamic God
(18-05-2025, 08:06 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]These gospels were written by his disciples who supported Allah.. according to your Quran
Allah never mentioned these writers.
Allah doesn’t hold these writers responsible for sending you astray
“We will surely question those who received messengers and We will question the messengers ˹themselves˺.””
Then We will give them a full account with sure knowledge—for We were never absent.”
Quran 7:6-7
(18-05-2025, 08:14 PM)Hope Wrote: [ -> ]Allah never mentioned these writers.
Allah doesn’t hold these writers responsible for sending you astray
“We will surely question those who received messengers and We will question the messengers ˹themselves˺.””
Then We will give them a full account with sure knowledge—for We were never absent.”
Quran 7:6-7
Allah never mentioned the writers..but Allah told Muhammad to check with the people of the book if he is in doubts ..what the Christians read at that time is the bible of today ...
If there was another new Gospel...it would have been recorded in history
(18-05-2025, 08:14 PM)Hope Wrote: [ -> ]Allah never mentioned these writers.
Allah doesn’t hold these writers responsible for sending you astray
“We will surely question those who received messengers and We will question the messengers ˹themselves˺.””
Then We will give them a full account with sure knowledge—for We were never absent.”
Quran 7:6-7
According to NT scholars, all 4 Gospels were written by unknown authors. They were only given the titles like Luke or Mark a few hundred years later.
Look for consistency..
There are thousands more New Testament Greek manuscripts than any other ancient writing. The internal consistency of the New Testament documents is about 99.5% textually pure.
Who wrote the Quran? Do we have the names of the authors who wrote on the skins of animals, leaves and rocks...show me the names of the original authors
(18-05-2025, 07:59 PM)Hope Wrote: [ -> ]Okay we believe “ Gospel given to Jesus “
Not “Gospel according to” Mark, Mathew, Luke, John
How do you know the "gospel given to Jesus" does not contain Matthew, Mark, Luke, John?
You must have seen the injil to come up with the conclusion
. What is in the injil?
(18-05-2025, 07:52 PM)Hope Wrote: [ -> ]“Say, ˹O Prophet,˺ “O People of the Book! Do you resent us only because we believe in Allah and what has been revealed to us and what was revealed before—while most of you are rebellious?”Quran 5:59
This passage seems like Allah mocking at those He willed to lead astray...this is quite worrying
(18-05-2025, 07:52 PM)Hope Wrote: [ -> ]“Say, ˹O Prophet,˺ “O People of the Book! Do you resent us only because we believe in Allah and what has been revealed to us and what was revealed before—while most of you are rebellious?”Quran 5:59
Let's paraphrase that verse.
O Christians and Jews. Why are you all against us just because we believe in the Creator and we believe in the Quran, the Torah, the Injeel, while most of you have already discarded and disobeyed what is in your book?
On the contrary, it is the moslems who were against the jews and Christians...they were oppressed. They were not allowed to walk on the same path as the moslems on the street...they were made to take another route
If they did not convert to moslem..death awaits those who failed to pay up ...women will be held captives as sex slaves while children will be sold... how can God defend such tyranny...
according to Islam, Jesus and Moses were like brothers to Muhammad but how can Muhammad commit these injustice acts to the people belonging to his brothers ?
(19-05-2025, 08:50 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]On the contrary, it is the moslems who were against the jews and Christians...they were oppressed. They were not allowed to walk on the same path as the moslems on the street...they were made to take another route
If they did not convert to moslem..death awaits those who failed to pay up ...women will be held captives as sex slaves while children will be sold... how can God defend such tyranny...
according to Islam, Jesus and Moses were like brothers to Muhammad but how can Muhammad commit these injustice acts to the people belonging to his brothers ?
I hope you will remain civil in our discussion.
Let's take the Jews in Yathrib of the time of Prophet Muhammad صلي الله عليه وسلم for example. Who were they? They were the enemies of Jesus, the people who tried to get him killed. Ergo, they were the enemies of God. Does it follow that they will also be against another prophet of God?
(19-05-2025, 09:12 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]I hope you will remain civil in our discussion.
Let's take the Jews in Yathrib of the time of Prophet Muhammad صلي الله عليه وسلم for example. Who were they? They were the enemies of Jesus, the people who tried to get him killed. Ergo, they were the enemies of God. Does it follow that they will also be against another prophet of God?
Yes, they were enemies of Jesus from the very beginning..but are they enemies of Muhammad in the first place? No, they welcome him , they accepted Islam and promised him that if he comes to Yathrib they will support and defend him as they support and defend their families and children...He had good relationship with the jews
He even adopted some Jewish customs and practices. However, this relationship became strained and ultimately fractured as Muhammad's teachings and expectations diverged from Jewish beliefs, and he began to criticize their rejection of his prophethood.....
They were not enemies of Islam initially
(19-05-2025, 09:33 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]No, they welcome him , they accepted Islam and promised him that if he comes to Yathrib they will support and defend him as they support and defend their families and children...He had good relationship with the jews
That's categorically false. There was a man among them, Abdullah ibn Ubayy, who was a hypocrite, pretending to accept Islam. But generally, the Israelites at Yathrib didn't accept Muhammad صلي الله عليه وسلم.
If they rejected Jesus pbuh, surely they would reject a non-Israelite as their prophet.
(19-05-2025, 09:33 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]Yes, they were enemies of Jesus from the very beginning..
Thank you for that fact. So, the Quranic verse in discussion is accurate in describing them as rebellious against God.
(18-05-2025, 08:18 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]Allah never mentioned the writers..but Allah told Muhammad to check with the people of the book if he is in doubts ..what the Christians read at that time is the bible of today ...
That Quranic verse, 10:94, is referring to the people of Muhammad صلي الله عليه وسلم time, who doubted that God would send down revelations to a messenger. God is addressing the doubt they have about revelations.
Wallahu 'alam.
(18-05-2025, 08:27 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]Look for consistency..
There are thousands more New Testament Greek manuscripts than any other ancient writing. The internal consistency of the New Testament documents is about 99.5% textually pure.
Yes, its true that there are many manuscripts of the NT. But none of them are identical and they are all copies. Scholars do not know which manuscripts they were copied from because the originals are lost.
(19-05-2025, 09:39 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]That's categorically false. There was a man among them, Abdullah ibn Ubayy, who was a hypocrite, pretending to accept Islam. But generally, the Israelites at Yathrib didn't accept Muhammad صلي الله عليه وسلم.
If they rejected Jesus pbuh, surely they would reject a non-Israelite as their prophet.
You yourself said that the people of Yathrib sang out of happiness with the prophet arrival....does it sound like hostility? They didn't reject Muhammad because they themselves were fighting a tiresome wars ...and they hope to angkat Muhammad so that the moslems can help them..
Did they go for the kill against Muhammad? No..they were submissive...compare this to the treatment of Jesus!
(19-05-2025, 10:07 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]You yourself said that the people of Yathrib sang out of happiness with the prophet arrival....does it sound like hostility? They didn't reject Muhammad because they themselves were fighting a tiresome wars ...and they hope to angkat Muhammad so that the moslems can help them..
Did they go for the kill against Muhammad? No..they were submissive...compare this to the treatment of Jesus!
You're mistaken. Those people of Yathrib who welcomed the Prophet were the Arabs, not the Israelites.