(20-06-2025, 07:49 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]I don't care much about which religion is the majority in the world. It has no bearing on truth.
You're the one who keeps harping about Christianity being the majority today, as though that makes Christianity true.
Why do you not care? How can Islam spread to every house hold, every corner of the world if it isnt the largest religion? Only God will attempt to make the truth flourish in numbers..
just like what Allah said : [I will] make those who follow you superior to those who disbelieve until the Day of Resurrection” [Aal ‘Imraan 3:55]
(20-06-2025, 08:02 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]A claim that the Quran refused to back?
Come on...the Quran needs to be hold accountable for what is being written down...
The Quran didn't say what you said.
(20-06-2025, 08:00 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]Isaiah unveiled all three Persons of the Godhead: “the Lord Gᴏᴅ,” referring to the Father; “His Spirit,” referring to the Holy Spirit; and “Me,” referring to the speaker, who later identifies Himself as the “Redeemer” (v. 17). Thus the speaker is the Messiah
And how come Isaiah and all the prophets after him never taught the Trinity?
(20-06-2025, 08:03 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]The Pharisees were already moslems when they accepted Moses!! So accepting Jesus makes them moslems 2.0? 
If one accepts Prophet Moses but refuses to accept Prophet Jesus, one is not a Muslim.
(20-06-2025, 08:12 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]Why do you not care? How can Islam spread to every house hold, every corner of the world if it isnt the largest religion? Only God will attempt to make the truth flourish in numbers..
The message of Islam has indeed spread to all corners of the globe. The messenger of God صلي الله عليه وسلم made that prophecy when Islam was just a small community.
(20-06-2025, 08:27 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]The Quran didn't say what you said.
The Quran doesnt have a lot to say but have alot of claims to make
(20-06-2025, 08:29 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]And how come Isaiah and all the prophets after him never taught the Trinity?
I believe Moses was made aware God's triune being, but couldn't put to words this divine revelation. It took the coming of Jesus, fully man fully God to come and reveal what this meant...
(20-06-2025, 08:56 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]The Quran doesnt have a lot to say but have alot of claims to make
I dunno what you're saying.
The point is; the Quran didn't say what you said earlier.
(20-06-2025, 08:31 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]If one accepts Prophet Moses but refuses to accept Prophet Jesus, one is not a Muslim.
What is the definition of a moslem?
A Muslim is one who submits to God. Period!
When you say you need to submit to this prophet or another prophet...then you are changing the whole definition of muslim
(20-06-2025, 08:57 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]I believe Moses was made aware God's triune being, but couldn't put to words this divine revelation. It took the coming of Jesus, fully man fully God to come and reveal what this meant...
There were many prophets after Isaiah. If Isaiah received revelations from God about the Trinity, how come he and all the major prophets after him never communicated it to the people?
Even Jesus didn't teach the Trinity.
(20-06-2025, 09:00 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]What is the definition of a moslem?
A Muslim is one who submits to God. Period!
When you say you need to submit to this prophet or another prophet...then you are changing the whole definition of muslim
You cannot pick and choose which prophets you want to accept.
(20-06-2025, 09:01 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]There were many prophets after Isaiah. If Isaiah received revelations from God about the Trinity, how come he and all the major prophets after him never communicated it to the people?
Even Jesus didn't teach the Trinity.
Jesus taught the concept of Trinity...the word isnt invented then....but what remains clear is that the previous prophets and Jesus's disciples pray to the Father...but in Islam, Allah cannot be a Father in any sense ..why is Muhammad not in line with all the previous prophets?
(20-06-2025, 08:07 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]He has his rights to support Israel based on religious beliefs and interpretations of biblical prophecies....its existence is crucial for the eventual return of Jesus Christ....
The irony is, Israelis don't believe in the son of Mary pbuh as their Messiah.
But that is for another topic. The point is, many Christians support the genocide that is happening today.
(20-06-2025, 09:03 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]You cannot pick and choose which prophets you want to accept.
Why? Most prophets are dead while one is alive! Shouldn't you at least accept and submit to the living prophet?
(20-06-2025, 09:07 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]Jesus taught the concept of Trinity...the word isnt invented then....but what remains clear is that the previous prophets and Jesus's disciples pray to the Father...but in Islam, Allah cannot be a Father in any sense ..why is Muhammad not in line with all the previous prophets?
Show me where Jesus taught the concept of the Trinity. Please don't show me the great commission again because that is not a teaching about God.
If Jesus taught the concept of the Trinity, it would not have taken them over 3 centuries to formulate it.
(20-06-2025, 09:09 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]The irony is, Israelis don't believe in the son of Mary pbuh as their Messiah.
But that is for another topic. The point is, many Christians support the genocide that is happening today.
That is a blantant lie and you are attributing these horrible acts to the Christians...the christians have nothing to do with what the jews do...I would also say that the moslems supported the genocide because so many moslems countries surrounding israel are just doing nothing to help
(20-06-2025, 09:09 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]Why? Most prophets are dead while one is alive! Shouldn't you at least accept and submit to the living prophet?
If God says Jesus is a prophet, we submit to that revelation, not to the prophet. We obey the prophet God sends to us, in submission to God.
(20-06-2025, 09:14 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]That is a blantant lie and you are attributing these horrible acts to the Christians...the christians have nothing to do with what the jews do...I would also say that the moslems supported the genocide because so many moslems countries surrounding israel are just doing nothing to help
Not to all the Christians. I said many Christians, not all.
And you already said their religious beliefs compel them to support Israel. It follows that they will have to support the genocide Israel is committing today.
(20-06-2025, 09:12 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]Show me where Jesus taught the concept of the Trinity. Please don't show me the great commission again because that is not a teaching about God.
If Jesus taught the concept of the Trinity, it would not have taken them over 3 centuries to formulate it.
The concept of the Trinity is very clear from the NT..you cannot be a Unitarian and yet disbelieve what is written in the NT...
John 1:1-5:
This passage describes the Word (Jesus) being with God and being God in the beginning, supporting the concept of Jesus's divinity and pre-existence.
2 Corinthians 13:14:
This verse mentions the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, showing a connection between the three persons
In Matthew 28:19-20, Jesus instructs his followers to baptize in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, demonstrating the distinct persons and their unity as God.
Distinct Persons:
Jesus referred to the Father as a separate entity from himself (John 10, 14:6-10). He also spoke of the Holy Spirit as a distinct person (John 14:26, 16).
(20-06-2025, 09:17 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]Not to all the Christians. I said many Christians, not all.
And you already said their religious beliefs compel them to support Israel. It follows that they will have to support the genocide Israel is committing today.
No, we might not agree with what the Israelis are doing, but we support their right to exist. What do the Christians have to do with the genocide? Tell me!
(20-06-2025, 09:20 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]The concept of the Trinity is very clear from the NT..you cannot be a Unitarian and yet disbelieve what is written in the NT...
John 1:1-5:
This passage describes the Word (Jesus) being with God and being God in the beginning, supporting the concept of Jesus's divinity and pre-existence.
2 Corinthians 13:14:
This verse mentions the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, showing a connection between the three persons
In Matthew 28:19-20, Jesus instructs his followers to baptize in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, demonstrating the distinct persons and their unity as God.
Distinct Persons:
Jesus referred to the Father as a separate entity from himself (John 10, 14:6-10). He also spoke of the Holy Spirit as a distinct person (John 14:26, 16).
Why so ambiguous? If the Trinity is true, why didn't Jesus make it clear, like how the ordinary people in Nicea can? Why cloak it in ambiguity such that even the disciples never knew about it?
The verse in 1 John 5:7 is very clear about the Trinity, even though we already know that it was forged much later.
(20-06-2025, 09:24 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]No, we might not agree with what the Israelis are doing, but we support their right to exist. What do the Christians have to do with the genocide? Tell me!
They give money, weapons, and they turn a blind eye to the atrocities. That is support, pure and simple.
Again, not all Christians but many.
(20-06-2025, 09:24 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]No, we might not agree with what the Israelis are doing, but we support their right to exist. What do the Christians have to do with the genocide? Tell me!
I remember you once said Jesus wasn't involved when the biblical God ordered the Israelites to commit the genocide of the Amaleks.
Do you still hold that position?
(20-06-2025, 09:30 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]They give money, weapons, and they turn a blind eye to the atrocities. That is support, pure and simple.
Again, not all Christians but many.
These are dealings ...The Christians have no blood on their hands...let us be clear...the christians are not the ones pulling the trigger!
The moslem countries are not united in combating...so blame the moslems instead!
(20-06-2025, 09:40 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]I remember you once said Jesus wasn't involved when the biblical God ordered the Israelites to commit the genocide of the Amaleks.
Do you still hold that position?
we believe in the Torah just like you
(20-06-2025, 09:28 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]Why so ambiguous? If the Trinity is true, why didn't Jesus make it clear, like how the ordinary people in Nicea can? Why cloak it in ambiguity such that even the disciples never knew about it?
The verse in 1 John 5:7 is very clear about the Trinity, even though we already know that it was forged much later.
The NT supports the concept of the Trinity....for it to be accepted is no easy feat because it needs to be studied, debate and come to a vote
(20-06-2025, 10:03 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]The NT supports the concept of the Trinity....for it to be accepted is no easy feat because it needs to be studied, debate and come to a vote
If there is such a verse like 1 John 5:7 from the very beginning, there wouldn't be a need for the many councils that took over 3 centuries for the bishops to formulate the Trinity.
So, why didn't any of the many previous prophets ever teach that?
(20-06-2025, 09:59 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ] we believe in the Torah just like you
No, you're mistaken.
We believe Prophet Moses was given a revelation known as the Tawrah. We don't have to believe your Bible.
But you believe your Bible is the word of God, and you must believe God commanded the genocide of the Amaleks, where even the suckling infants are not spared. The question I'm asking you is simple. Was Jesus involved in that command?
(20-06-2025, 09:57 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]These are dealings ...The Christians have no blood on their hands...let us be clear...the christians are not the ones pulling the trigger!
Sure. The Christians give the guns and the Jews pull the trigger.
Are both guilty of the crime?
(20-06-2025, 10:56 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]Sure. The Christians give the guns and the Jews pull the trigger.
Are both guilty of the crime?
Supply and demand....it is all part of business and survival. There is only one fight, the moslems and the Jews!! Let's be very clear!! If the moslems nations unite, Israel will be easily defeated!!
Don blame the Christians for the plight of the Palestinians....blame your big boss for allowing this to happen..