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(13-07-2025, 05:25 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]Don shift the goal post ..more than 2 millions moslems left islam yearly is acceptable to you?

(13-07-2025, 05:24 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]When did Muhammad take the cable car to mọunt Sela?

Isaiah 42:11 in the King James Version reads: "Let the wilderness and the cities thereof lift up their voice, let the villages that Kedar inhabits; let the inhabitants of Sela sing, let them shout from the top of the mountains.

(13-07-2025, 05:21 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]I don know what methods are they using! 

(13-07-2025, 06:11 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]I'm asking you a simple question.

Does Pew Research's method to produce statistics acceptable to you?

(13-07-2025, 06:16 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]Same method used by that charity body.

You rejected their method before yesterday. Have you changed your mind?

(13-07-2025, 06:36 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]If you believe sampling represent the majority then go ahead and believe then....

(13-07-2025, 06:14 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]You obviously don't remember what I wrote not too long ago.

There were lookouts at the mountaintop, waiting for the arrival of the Prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم. Once they saw the 2 figures from afar, they shouted to the people below to let them know the Prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم is coming. And then, the people started singing, welcoming the Prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم.

And that song, we still sing it today.

(13-07-2025, 06:37 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]So you're saying Pew Research's statistics are not reliable?

(13-07-2025, 06:33 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]Whether it is acceptable is irrelevant to the crux of the debate...you accepted it and I have shown you that the statistics buried your claims that less moslems are leaving islam

(13-07-2025, 06:38 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]When did you become a creative story teller? It is not found in the Bible! No Bidah pls

(13-07-2025, 06:16 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]Same method used by that charity body.

You rejected their method before yesterday. Have you changed your mind?

(13-07-2025, 06:41 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]It is in Isaiah 42.

(13-07-2025, 06:43 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]It didnt say that they went to the mountains looking out for Muhammad and alert those waiting below!

(13-07-2025, 06:40 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]It definitely is relevant.

If you don't accept it, we can dismiss it as unreliable, and you shouldn't be using it to make any claims. But if you do, I have other statistics to show you. And you must also accept the charity body, which says Muslims are the most charitable in the UK.

(13-07-2025, 06:53 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]Isaiah 42 didn't say a lot of things. But what it does say matches the Prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم.

(13-07-2025, 06:58 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]So you believe in the Hebrew bible? It is not part of the Torah! It is not inside any of the 4 islamic books

(13-07-2025, 06:54 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ] when I have proven the point..you shifted the goal post and now chose to dismiss my claims...

Yesterday, you were praising how you, leaders, and organizations trust Pew Research. Today, you've shifted your stance completely! Now, my opinion on Pew Research seems to matter so much that you're quick to dismiss its credibility.

(13-07-2025, 07:01 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]I didn't dismiss anything.

I didn't shift anything.

I just want to corner you. Do you accept the findings of Pew Research or not? Is their methodology reliable or not?

(13-07-2025, 07:00 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]I don't believe, nor do I disbelieve it.

I don't rely on the Bible to attest to my faith.

(13-07-2025, 07:21 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ] Like I say that the statistics are just a list of a few countries, but they are sufficient for me to demonstrate that over two million Moslems leave Islam each year. 

If Pew Research has data covering all countries, then you'd probably need a headache pill to handle the reality, as the number of Moslems leaving Islam far exceeds two million annually.

(13-07-2025, 07:24 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ] Are you confused? You are a kufir for believing in certain books that Allah did not command you to accept.

(13-07-2025, 07:27 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]So, do you accept the methodology of Pew Research as reliable?

(13-07-2025, 07:29 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]I told you clearly. I neither believe nor disbelieve. I am agnostic with regard to the Bible.

(13-07-2025, 07:33 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]You can no longer argue   
If you choose to rely on Pew Research, I respect your right to do so. I can accept your statistics for the sake of argument, but whether I consider them reliable does not matter

(13-07-2025, 07:35 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]So you believe that Isaiah 42 which is part of the Hebrew Bible is speaking about Muhammad? Since when did you take the authority of the Hebrew Bible as your faith? So you no longer believe in corrupted scriptures?

(13-07-2025, 07:38 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]You made a certain conclusion based on Pew Research data but you already said before yesterday that their methodology is unreliable.

So why do you make a conclusion based on unreliable data?

(13-07-2025, 07:40 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]I neither believe nor disbelieve. The Bible is not authoritative for me.

I keep repeating that, but you seem to ignore it.

(13-07-2025, 07:40 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]I neither believe nor disbelieve. The Bible is not authoritative for me.

I keep repeating that, but you seem to ignore it.

(13-07-2025, 07:44 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]It is unreliable to estimate the number of Moslems leaving Islam based on just a few countries...that's a fact. However, Turkey clearly demonstrated that the number of Moslems leaving Islam far exceeds 2 million, so I don't need data from other countries to support my argument.