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(09-02-2025, 10:42 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]I'm also afraid to say and give prayers to a group of people...I usually keep it short and sweet Big Grin but some people can give a very good one Big Grin
I also visited imh old folks home hospital to pray for patients 
I will cry when see them suffering 
Cant control 
😊
(04-02-2025, 10:31 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]Your dream testimony, how can I know if its true when no one can verify it?

Even Paul's testimony, how can we verify it? No one saw it. No one can verify it.

(09-02-2025, 02:16 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]I've already given plenty of reasons for not believing the Christian narration. It is illogical, irrational, and confusing. On top of that, it is replete with contradictions. 

About reviews. Can it be wrong? Yes, surely. Your experience cannot be replicated in my life so your testimonies mean nothing to me. We need to be sure, and God has given enough for us to have 100% faith, through the prophets and scriptures. LKSM's dream is not how God communicates with us.


Contrary to what you feel about our faith, we believe that the Bible, upon which Christianity is based, was without error (John 17:17), divinely authoritative (Matt 4:4-10), infallible (John 10:35), historically reliable (Matt 12:40; 24:37-39), scientifically accurate with regard to the origin of man (Matt 19:4-5), and indestructible (Matt 5:8).

If Jesus was a prophet of Allah, as the Quran teaches, we would be wise to take His word on the matter. He is the reliable authority on the hereafter and spiritual matters. Jesus has proven He was the trustworthy Son of God by His miraculous fulfillment of hundreds of OT prophecies, His sinless life, miracles, and His resurrection from the dead. Muhammad and Buddha both admitted their sinfulness and performed no miracles, and both of their remains are in their tombs to this day. Jesus' grave is empty.

The Quran contradicts known facts of history. It denies, for example, that Jesus was crucified on a cross, something that has been substantiated
not only by the Bible, but also by extrabiblical sources. The Quran is plagued with internal inconsistencies, as highlighted by Pinkpanther frequently.

As things stand, the Bible stands alone, with Jesus being the Truth, Way and Life. We believe everything in the Bible is completely and actually true. It seems that our whole beings - and yours too - revolve around our tenacious beliefs that are considered to be too important to change or question.

Since we know that arguing will get us nowhere, why are we constantly at loggerheads with each other over our core beliefs with no end in sight? I rationalize that we get a charge out of trying to demolish the basic tenets of each other's faith. Pinkpanther, for one, can be very tough to outargue when he gets his competitive juices flowing. Matter-of-factly, the debate is bound to generate more heat than light.

So you have got 100% faith through the prophets and scriptures, which is understandable considering your God is a remote, impersonal Being. For me,
only in God I trust, others I verify. And the God described in the Christian Scripture is a personal God, the only One on the market. The Bible says that "God is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him" (Heb 11:6). I sincerely hope you'll come to realise and experience the joy of having a relationship with Jesus. It's better to verify yourself rather than seek verification from others. After all the proof of the pudding is in the eating.
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Jesus’s Sahada/ Declaration of faith in Allah 👍
He created you ˹all˺ from a single soul,then from it He made its mate.And He produced for you four pairs of cattle.He creates you in the wombs of your mothers ˹in stages˺, one development after another, in three layers of darkness.That is Allah—your Lord! All authority belongs to Him. There is no god ˹worthy of worship˺ except Him. How can you then be turned away?

If you disbelieve, then ˹know that˺ Allah is truly not in need of you, nor does He approve of disbelief from His servants. But if you become grateful ˹through faith˺, He will appreciate that from you. No soul burdened with sin will bear the burden of another. Then to your Lord is your return, and He will inform you of what you used to do. He certainly knows best what is ˹hidden˺ in the heart.

Quran 39:6-7
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I already testified how God communicates with us
Now waiting for the 2 to testify how their god communicates with them
Besides arguing calling us stupid and ignorant
Got some testimonies but I won’t like to share less people jealous n claim I m a liar 😊
If you seek God with all your heart ❤️u will find Him.
(10-02-2025, 10:20 AM)Lukongsimi Wrote: [ -> ]I already testified how God communicates with us
Now waiting for the 2 to testify how their god communicates with them
Besides arguing calling us stupid and ignorant

The almighty Creator communicates with mankind through prophets/messengers and revelations aka holy scriptures.

Your dreams are yours only. That is not God communicating with mankind. When God communicates with mankind, all who believe will get the same message. That is why you see all the religious Jews and Muslims practicing their respective religion in the same fashion because they all have the same message. How did we get that message from God? Through the prophets/messengers bearing revelations like the Tablet or the Quran. The Bible, however, is not from God because we don't know where it came from. But inside it, we can find records of God's message which sadly can never be confirmed. But I will still respect it as holy scripture.

We also know dreams can sometimes be ludicrous or untrue, like dreaming we can fly.
(10-02-2025, 10:20 AM)Lukongsimi Wrote: [ -> ]I already testified how God communicates with us
Now waiting for the 2 to testify how their god communicates with them
Besides arguing calling us stupid and ignorant


We turn their hearts and eyes away ˹from the truth˺ as they refused to believe at first, leaving them to wander blindly in their defiance.

Even if We had sent them the angels, made the dead speak to them, and assembled before their own eyes every sign ˹they demanded˺, they still would not have believed—unless Allah so willed. But most of them are ignorant ˹of this˺.

Quran 6:110-111
(10-02-2025, 11:10 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]The almighty Creator communicates with mankind through prophets/messengers and revelations aka holy scriptures.

Your dreams are yours only. That is not God communicating with mankind. When God communicates with mankind, all who believe will get the same message. That is why you see all the religious Jews and Muslims practicing their respective religion in the same fashion because they all have the same message. How did we get that message from God? Through the prophets/messengers bearing revelations like the Tablet or the Quran. The Bible is not from God.

We also know dreams can sometimes be ludicrous or untrue, like dreaming we can fly.
That is the only answer u can give 
Cos you haven’t encounter it 
many moslems already communicated with the saviour Jesus n converted
(10-02-2025, 11:11 AM)Hope Wrote: [ -> ]We turn their hearts and eyes away ˹from the truth˺ as they refused to believe at first, leaving them to wander blindly in their defiance.

Even if We had sent them the angels, made the dead speak to them, and assembled before their own eyes every sign ˹they demanded˺, they still would not have believed—unless Allah so willed. But most of them are ignorant ˹of this˺.

Quran 6:110-111

You also haven’t encounter 
Use Koran 
Ok understood
˹O believers!˺ Do not insult what they invoke besides Allah or they will insult Allah spitefully out of ignorance. This is how We have made each people’s deeds appealing to them. Then to their Lord is their return, and He will inform them of what they used to do”.

Quran 6:108
(10-02-2025, 11:14 AM)Lukongsimi Wrote: [ -> ]That is the only answer u can give 
Cos you haven’t encounter it 
many moslems already communicated with the saviour Jesus n converted

Why are those people special and the billions of others are not?

Does God only communicate with your special people? What makes you all special?
(10-02-2025, 11:16 AM)Hope Wrote: [ -> ]˹O believers!˺ Do not insult what they invoke besides Allah or they will insult Allah spitefully out of ignorance. This is how We have made each people’s deeds appealing to them. Then to their Lord is their return, and He will inform them of what they used to do”.

Quran 6:108

The Lord is gg to return and remember don’t use insulting words against Him as what a man does
He is the Lord and Judge!
(10-02-2025, 11:19 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]Why are those people special and the billions of others are not?

Does God only communicate with your special people? What makes you all special?
That I don’t know maybe chosen
(10-02-2025, 11:19 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]Why are those people special and the billions of others are not?

Does God only communicate with your special people? What makes you all special?

Why do you expect from the billion out side?
Let pink panther and other Christian here give their testimony !

Pink panther’s church leader teaching them to insult/ mock Islam, Quran, Allah, Muhammad, Gabriel , Hadith, wives and companions of the prophet

LKSM’s church leader teaching them to spread fictional testimony’s to non Christian.
(10-02-2025, 11:22 AM)Hope Wrote: [ -> ]Why do you expect from the billion out side?
Let pink panther and other Christian here give their testimony !
I also hope u two can give testimonies and share
(10-02-2025, 11:22 AM)Lukongsimi Wrote: [ -> ]That I don’t know maybe chosen

Ok. I won't argue against that. You want to feel you're the chosen one, that's up to you. But we're not talking about you. We are talking about God communicating with mankind. Prophet Moses pbuh came down from the mountain bearing the Tablet containing God's message for all his people, and no one was exempted. They all got the same message.

That is how God communicates with mankind.
(10-02-2025, 11:20 AM)Lukongsimi Wrote: [ -> ]The Lord is gg to return and remember don’t use insulting words against Him as what a man does
He is the Lord and Judge!

Verse I quoted is  from Quran.
Allah is the lord as per Quran.
(10-02-2025, 11:27 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]Ok. I won't argue against that. You want to feel you're the chosen one, that's up to you. But we're not talking about you. We are talking about God communicating with mankind. Prophet Moses pbuh came down from the mountain bearing the Tablet containing God's message for all his people, and no one was exempted. They all got the same message.

That is how God communicates with mankind.

U said God don’t communicate thru dreams 
The Bible said people will dreams and have visions Ways of communicating with God
(10-02-2025, 11:30 AM)Hope Wrote: [ -> ]Verse I quoted is  from Quran.
Allah is the lord as per Quran.

Ok so your lord is Allah ours is Jesus totally different 
But have to respect our God correct ?
(10-02-2025, 11:32 AM)Lukongsimi Wrote: [ -> ]U said God don’t communicate thru dreams 
The Bible said people will dreams and have visions Ways of communicating with God

I don't doubt that you believe God communicates directly with you in your dreams. I won't comment on that. That's your personal belief.

I'm talking about how God communicates with mankind.
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(10-02-2025, 11:38 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]I don't doubt that you believe God communicates directly with you in your dreams. I won't comment on that. That's your personal belief.

I'm talking about how God communicates with mankind.
Argue for what it’s all written in the Holy Bible😆
Argue to win it’s useless
In the Quran, God does not speak to Muhammad directly.It has never spoken to Muhammad at all..the revelation is revealed by an entity claiming to be angel Jibril...It is the word of Gabriel not the word of God....
(10-02-2025, 11:34 AM)Lukongsimi Wrote: [ -> ]Ok so your lord is Allah ours is Jesus totally different 
But have to respect our God correct ?


Say, 
˹O Prophet,˺ “O you disbelievers!


I do not worship what you worship,

nor do you worship what I worship.

I will never worship what you worship

nor will you ever worship what I worship

You have your way, and I have my Way.”

Quran 109:1-6
(10-02-2025, 11:40 AM)Lukongsimi Wrote: [ -> ][Image: IMG-3192.jpg]

Who said that? 

That is a valid question to ask when you quote NT verses. In some cases, I don't need to ask that question because we already know Paul said that. Other than that, I have the right to ask you "Who said that?"

You don't know.
(10-02-2025, 11:22 AM)Hope Wrote: [ -> ]Why do you expect from the billion out side?
Let pink panther and other Christian here give their testimony !

Pink panther’s church leader teaching them to insult/ mock Islam, Quran, Allah, Muhammad, Gabriel , Hadith, wives and companions of the prophet

LKSM’s church leader teaching them to spread fictional testimony’s to non Christian.

I only pointed out what was written in your books ...
There is 1 guy I don’t want mention who 
Also don’t believe the Bible 
After that he dreamt he was hung upside down the cross now he is a Christian 
Praise God !😊
(10-02-2025, 11:40 AM)Lukongsimi Wrote: [ -> ][Image: IMG-3192.jpg]


Prophet Joel said that in OT and Apostle Peter quoted in Acts lah! Big Grin 


(10-02-2025, 11:45 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]Who said that? 

That is a valid question to ask when you quote NT verses. In some cases, I don't need to ask that question because we already know Paul said that. Other than that, I have the right to ask you "Who said that?"

You don't know.
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