(07-08-2025, 05:48 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]Since our friend believes in Christ and prays to the Father, he simply needs the Holy Spirit to empower him. 
He don’t understand the trinity it’s his flesh that speaks not the Holy Spirit
(07-08-2025, 05:45 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]If God is one and the Father is one part of God, what is the division? 1/3 or 2/3?
One to the power of 3 persons = 1 being
(07-08-2025, 05:50 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote: [ -> ]He don’t understand the trinity it’s his flesh that speaks not the Holy Spirit
The Holy Spirit must pay him a visit one day for him to wake up
(07-08-2025, 05:50 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]One to the power of 3 persons = 1 being
argue till cows come home he also don’t understand lol
(07-08-2025, 05:52 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote: [ -> ]argue till cows come home he also don’t understand lol
He wants to find holes to attack....I have given him many chances
(07-08-2025, 05:51 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]The Holy Spirit must pay him a visit one day for him to wake up
Many people did not have the opportunity to hear the gospel bef passed away
He heard but deny
that is him his choice.
(07-08-2025, 05:50 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]One to the power of 3 persons = 1 being
So God has parts and the Father is one part of God.
Can we then conclude that the Father is not fully God by Himself according to your theology?
(07-08-2025, 05:58 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]So God has parts and the Father is one part of God.
Can we then conclude that the Father is not fully God by Himself according to your theology?
The Father is fully God so are the other 2 distinct persons
(07-08-2025, 05:58 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]So God has parts and the Father is one part of God.
Can we then conclude that the Father is not fully God by Himself according to your theology?
They are always together just like your body soul n mind
(07-08-2025, 06:01 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]The Father is fully God so are the other 2 distinct persons
If the Father is fully God and the other 2 are also fully God, you have 3 persons who are all fully God, correct?
(07-08-2025, 06:03 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]If the Father is fully God and the other 2 are also fully God, you have 3 persons who are all fully God, correct?
They are not parts of God, but rather each is God in their entirety.
(07-08-2025, 06:07 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]They are not parts of God, but rather each is God in their entirety.
So your earlier statement is not accurate when you said they ONLY become God in entirety when they come together.
(07-08-2025, 10:12 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]There only become God in entirety when they come together
(07-08-2025, 06:07 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]They are not parts of God, but rather each is God in their entirety.
So, when 1 God from the three says He alone is God and there is no other besides Him, how do you square that circle?
(07-08-2025, 06:35 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]So, when 1 God from the three says He alone is God and there is no other besides Him, how do you square that circle?
So, when 1 God consisting of the three persons say He alone is God and there is no other besides Him, there will be nothing to square that circle!
(07-08-2025, 06:33 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]So your earlier statement is not accurate when you said they ONLY become God in entirety when they come together.
Each person has a unique role but they are all one God.
(07-08-2025, 06:03 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]If the Father is fully God and the other 2 are also fully God, you have 3 persons who are all fully God, correct?
It's hard to explain the Holy Trinity concept lah!
We believe but you don't lah! 3-in-1 God is 1 God lah!
(07-08-2025, 06:51 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]So, when 1 God consisting of the three persons say He alone is God and there is no other besides Him, there will be nothing to square that circle!
Ok.
When 1 person from the 3 says He alone is God and there is no other besides Him, how do you reconcile that?
(07-08-2025, 08:28 PM)cheekopekman Wrote: [ -> ]It's hard to explain the Holy Trinity concept lah! We believe but you don't lah! 3-in-1 God is 1 God lah!
The reason it is hard to explain is that the concept of the Trinity is illogical.
In comparison, the Shema is easy and self-explanatory. Even a child could understand the Shema.
(08-08-2025, 07:04 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]Ok.
When 1 person from the 3 says He alone is God and there is no other besides Him, how do you reconcile that?
they are distinct, but united in purpose, will, and essence.... So it is not one person says...it is will of that one being we call God!
(08-08-2025, 07:06 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]The reason it is hard to explain is that the concept of the Trinity is illogical.
In comparison, the Shema is easy and self-explanatory. Even a child could understand the Shema.
Yes, it's fine for you to just keep it simple, like how you would interpret that a human is just one person. We explain that a human is made up of the body, soul, and spirit....that's what makes us different.
We pay attention to details but you don, just like how the Quran portrays itself in inadequacy
(08-08-2025, 07:24 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]they are distinct, but united in purpose, will, and essence.... So it is not one person says...it is will of that one being we call God!
Are you saying all 3 have the same one will?
(08-08-2025, 07:29 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]Yes, it's fine for you to just keep it simple, like how you would interpret that a human is just one person. We explain that a human is made up of the body, soul, and spirit....that's what makes us different.
We pay attention to details but you don, just like how the Quran portrays itself in inadequacy
One human is also one person. If you say otherwise, you're way off the chart of rationality.
(08-08-2025, 07:34 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]One human is also one person. If you say otherwise, you're way off the chart of rationality.
A human is composed of three persons—I can refer to these persons as the body, soul, and spirit...it's just a term to address them as person each .The idea is similar to the concept of the Trinity. So, when I speak to someone, who is representing me? Is it my body, my soul, or my spirit?
(08-08-2025, 07:33 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]Are you saying all 3 have the same one will?
What do you think? After I teach you about the Trinity, you should have enough understanding to answer your own question. Since you already believe in Christ and pray to the Father, it's about time you make it official!
(08-08-2025, 07:42 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]A human is composed of three persons—I can refer to these persons as the body, soul, and spirit...it's just a term to address them as person each .The idea is similar to the concept of the Trinity. So, when I speak to someone, who is representing me? Is it my body, my soul, or my spirit?
So who am I speaking to now? Your body or your soul?
Does your body have a separate will from your soul?
(08-08-2025, 07:45 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]What do you think? After I teach you about the Trinity, you should have enough understanding to answer your own question. Since you already believe in Christ and pray to the Father, it's about time you make it official!
Phew!
I'm glad you don't think they all have the same will.
Now, let's get back to the verse in Isaiah which says "I am the Lord, and there is no other. Apart from me there is no God.". I'm sorry to keep asking you this simple question because you keep waffling. Who is that speaking in the 1st person?
(08-08-2025, 07:53 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]So who am I speaking to now? Your body or your soul?
Does your body have a separate will from your soul?
Can your body communicate without a soul and spirit? Likewise, can your soul and spirit express themselves without a body?
Don't you think all three need to come into harmony? It shouldn't be too hard for your mind to grasp, right?
(08-08-2025, 07:57 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]Phew!
I'm glad you don't think they all have the same will.
Now, let's get back to the verse in Isaiah which says "I am the Lord, and there is no other. Apart from me there is no God.". I'm sorry to keep asking you this simple question because you keep waffling. Who is that speaking in the 1st person?
That is one being speaking...who says it is a person?
(08-08-2025, 08:14 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]That is one being speaking...who says it is a person?
When we read in Mark 1:11 spoken in a similar 1st person, is that also one being speaking?