(04-08-2025, 09:22 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote: [ -> ]He takes 2 paths just in case one collapses
Lol
When he sees the Father, he states that he is praying to Jesus's God.
When he sees Allah, he claims he has no connection to the Father.
(05-08-2025, 07:14 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]God's omnipresence and infinite nature mean He is not limited to any space or form..
So can Allah be a man? No! So you are not praying to the God of Abraham..it is a simple answer
Did the God of Abraham say He is not a man? The answer is yes. So the Bible agrees with me that God is not a man.
(05-08-2025, 07:20 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]Did the God of Abraham say He is not a man? The answer is yes. So the Bible agrees with me that God is not a man.
God is not a man that is capable of lying lah...that is the gist of the verse...so you cannot be praying to Abraham's God because twice He took on flesh!
Allah is simply incapable to perform this miracle so you are praying to a lesser God..it is a logical conclusion
(05-08-2025, 07:25 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]God is not a man that is capable of lying lah...that is the gist of the verse...so you cannot be praying to Abraham's God because twice He took on flesh!
Allah is simply incapable to perform this miracle so you are praying to a lesser God..it is a logical conclusion
So we learn that man is capable of lying. If you say God becomes a man, that means God would be capable of lying.
And remember, the entire universe cannot contain God but you believe God was contained in a human body.
(05-08-2025, 07:28 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]So we learn that man is capable of lying. If you say God becomes a man, that means God would be capable of lying.
And remember, the entire universe cannot contain God but you believe God was contained in a human body.
Jesus is born sinless, so he is not capable of lying.
Do you understand God? Why are you putting on restrictions on what God can or cannot do?
God's vastness is beyond measure, His ability to dwell within Jesus in a spiritual reality, not a physical confinement.
(05-08-2025, 07:35 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]Jesus is born sinless, so he is not capable of lying.
Do you understand God? Why are you putting on restrictions on what God can or cannot do?
God's vastness is beyond measure, His ability to dwell within Jesus in a spiritual reality, not a physical confinement.
I'm just going by what the Bible says.
If the Bible states that God is not man, why do you then say a man is God?
(05-08-2025, 07:28 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]So we learn that man is capable of lying. If you say God becomes a man, that means God would be capable of lying.
And remember, the entire universe cannot contain God but you believe God was contained in a human body.
So can we conclude that you are not praying to the God of Abraham because the characteristics of Allah is not similar to Abraham's god
(05-08-2025, 07:37 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]So can we conclude that you are not praying to the God of Abraham because the characteristics of Allah is not similar to Abraham's god
Did Abraham worship a triune God?
(05-08-2025, 07:37 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]I'm just going by what the Bible says.
If the Bible states that God is not man, why do you then say a man is God?
If you do not read the full context, you may fall into misinterpretation, which is a form of blasphemy against God. God is not a man capable of lying.
(05-08-2025, 07:39 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]If you do not read the full context, you may fall into misinterpretation, which is a form of blasphemy against God. God is not a man capable of lying.
So when God becomes a man, that means God is capable of lying.
(05-08-2025, 07:37 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]Did Abraham worship a triune God?
God came with 2 more persons to meet Abraham. We believe that it might be the son and the Holy spirit in human form
(05-08-2025, 07:40 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]So when God becomes a man, that means God is capable of lying.
Did Jesus lie? No! He is a God spiritually in a flesh
(05-08-2025, 07:41 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]God came with 2 more persons to meet Abraham. We believe that it might be the son and the Holy spirit in human form
Show me where in the Bible it says Abraham believes in a triune God.
(05-08-2025, 07:37 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]Did Abraham worship a triune God?
So we can conclude that Allah is not the same God Abraham had been worshipping!
(05-08-2025, 07:44 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]Did Jesus lie? No! He is a God spiritually in a flesh
There are many things Jesus said and did that are not recorded in the NT.
The point is, a man is capable of lying, and if God is a man, that means God is capable of lying.
(05-08-2025, 07:45 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]So we can conclude that Allah is not the same God Abraham had been worshipping!
We can conclude that Abraham didn't believe in a triune God.
(05-08-2025, 07:48 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]We can conclude that Abraham didn't believe in a triune God.
He worship one God so do we...
Jesus goes on to say "Before Abraham was, I am"
So it is logical to say Abraham does not know that God is 1 being 3 persons.
And you are worshipping a God that does not fit the bill of Allah
(05-08-2025, 07:52 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]He worship one God so do we...
Jesus goes on to say "Before Abraham was, I am"
So it is logical to say Abraham does not know that God is 1 being 3 persons.
And you are worshipping a God that does not fit the bill of Allah
Imagine that. The father of all the prophets didn't know that God is triune.
Even Jesus didn't know that God is triune.
(05-08-2025, 07:54 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]Imagine that. The father of all the prophets didn't know that God is triune.
Even Jesus didn't know that God is triune.
Jesus was there before time.. that's why he ask believers to baptise in the most high..that is the Father,son and the holy spirit..
1 being, 3 persons..God makes us in His image...the body, soul and spirit
(05-08-2025, 08:10 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]Jesus was there before time.. that's why he ask believers to baptise in the most high..that is the Father,son and the holy spirit..
1 being, 3 persons..God makes us in His image...the body, soul and spirit
Our soul is spirit. So you're counting one thing twice.
Jesus never once taught the Trinity to his followers. The disciples never mention the Trinity. Even Paul didn't mention the Trinity because at the time of Paul, the Trinity wasn't invented yet.
(05-08-2025, 08:20 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]Our soul is spirit. So you're counting one thing twice.
Jesus never once taught the Trinity to his followers. The disciples never mention the Trinity. Even Paul didn't mention the Trinity because at the time of Paul, the Trinity wasn't invented yet.
Soul and spirit are both distinct entities...don you know? Both are spiritual!
You don know Paul lah .Paul frequently refers to God the Father, the Lord Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit. In some instances, he seems to equate the Holy Spirit with God and Christ
(05-08-2025, 08:29 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]Soul and spirit are both distinct entities...don you know? Both are spiritual!
You don know Paul lah .Paul frequently refers to God the Father, the Lord Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit. In some instances, he seems to equate the Holy Spirit with God and Christ
Show me anywhere in the Bible where Paul mentions the Trinity. Or show me anywhere in the entire Bible where the Trinity is mentioned.
(05-08-2025, 08:32 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]Show me anywhere in the Bible where Paul mentions the Trinity. Or show me anywhere in the entire Bible where the Trinity is mentioned.
The word Trinity was not invented then..but the concept was in place! Tawhid was not even mentioned in your Quran...the word came up after Muhammad's death
2 Corinthians 13:14:
"May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all."
Galatians 4:6:
"And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!
Ephesians 4:4-6:
"There is one body and one Spirit--just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call-- one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all."
(05-08-2025, 08:40 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]The word Trinity was not invented then..but the concept was in place! Tawhid was not even mentioned in your Quran...the word came up after Muhammad's death
2 Corinthians 13:14:
"May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all."
Galatians 4:6:
"And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!
Ephesians 4:4-6:
"There is one body and one Spirit--just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call-- one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all."
I didn't see the most important part that defines the Trinity, "and these 3 are one".
(05-08-2025, 08:44 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]I didn't see the most important part that defines the Trinity, "and these 3 are one".
This is not clear enough? Are you really so stubborn?
Even Paul affirms the concept of Trinity..
2 Corinthians 13:14:
"May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all."
(05-08-2025, 08:55 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]This is not clear enough? Are you really so stubborn?
Even Paul affirms the concept of Trinity..
2 Corinthians 13:14:
"May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all."
Do you see "and these 3 are 1" anywhere in that verse?
(05-08-2025, 08:57 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]Do you see "and these 3 are 1" anywhere in that verse?
Hello ..these 3 be with you! Are these 3 not 1 with you?
May the
grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the
love of God, and the
fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all."
(05-08-2025, 08:55 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]This is not clear enough? Are you really so stubborn?
Even Paul affirms the concept of Trinity..
2 Corinthians 13:14:
"May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all."
Is this verse clear to you? Can you squeeze in the Trinity after reading that?
Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself; - Isaiah 44:24
(05-08-2025, 08:57 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]Do you see "and these 3 are 1" anywhere in that verse?
Sometimes Christians will greet each other something similar to this verse
(05-08-2025, 08:58 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]Hello ..these 3 be with you! Are these 3 not 1 with you?
May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all."
If you say those 3 are God, that means you have 3 Gods. That's why the clincher is "and these 3 are 1" which is not there and therefore, that verse wasn't talking about the Trinity.