(17-07-2025, 12:29 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]Ishmael is not Jewish..Ishmael was not chosen to carry the covenant's promises.... 
Only the jews!! Descendants of Isaac, God's chosen people
We are talking about circumcision.
Was Ishmael circumcised by his father?
(17-07-2025, 12:28 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]You should be ashamed after this but it seems you have no shame.
Forgive me for saying that but it has to be said.
I will tell you why you got everything wrong and you should be ashame of yourself instead..
First In Islam, circumcision is often seen as a way to purify oneself (Tahara) and is linked to hygiene, as it can make it easier to maintain cleanliness, especially after urination....so it has nothing to do with Ishmael
Secondly
Circumcision is not explicitly mentioned in the Quran as a mandatory act.
(17-07-2025, 12:32 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]We are talking about circumcision.
Was Ishmael circumcised by his father?
His Circumcision has nothing to do with a great nation unfortunately
...how many times do I need to cook you
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(17-07-2025, 12:36 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]I will tell you why you got everything wrong and you should be ashame of yourself instead..
First In Islam, circumcision is often seen as a way to purify oneself (Tahara) and is linked to hygiene, as it can make it easier to maintain cleanliness, especially after urination....so it has nothing to do with Ishmael
Secondly Circumcision is not explicitly mentioned in the Quran as a mandatory act.
In the Quran 16:123, Allah tells us to follow Prophet Abraham, pbuh.
So, can we agree that in the covenant of circumcision, the Ishmaelites are included?
(17-07-2025, 12:46 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]In the Quran 16:123, Allah tells us to follow Prophet Abraham, pbuh.
So, can we agree that in the covenant of circumcision, the Ishmaelites are included?
Christianity is also part of the Abraham religion
Christians generally do not practice circumcision because they believe it's no longer a requirement for salvation or membership in the covenant, particularly for Gentile (
non-Jewish) converts.
(17-07-2025, 12:46 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]In the Quran 16:123, Allah tells us to follow Prophet Abraham, pbuh.
So, can we agree that in the covenant of circumcision, the Ishmaelites are included?
Circumcision is not compulsory in Islam!!
(17-07-2025, 12:46 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]In the Quran 16:123, Allah tells us to follow Prophet Abraham, pbuh.
So, can we agree that in the covenant of circumcision, the Ishmaelites are included?
Ishmaelites are not Jewish ... God's words are clear..the promise is to the Israelites
(17-07-2025, 12:57 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]Ishmaelites are not Jewish ... God's words are clear..the promise is to the Israelites
When God commanded circumcision as a sign of the covenant, Prophet Abraham circumcised Prophet Ishmael too.
Doesn't that mean Prophet Ishmael was also included in the covenant?
(17-07-2025, 01:00 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]When God commanded circumcision as a sign of the covenant, Prophet Abraham circumcised Prophet Ishmael too.
Doesn't that mean Prophet Ishmael was also included in the covenant?
While God promised Abraham that the covenant blessings would pass through Isaac, Abraham's son with Sarah, He also made it clear that Ishmael, Abraham's son with Hagar, would also be blessed and become a great nation.
God's promise to Ishmael included blessings of fruitfulness, a large family, and twelve princes.
However, the covenant, with its specific promises of descendants and land, was established specifically with Isaac and his lineage.
God specific promise about the Circumcision is only with the Israelites
(17-07-2025, 12:32 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]We are talking about circumcision.
Was Ishmael circumcised by his father?
If you follow Ishmael, why is circumcision not compulsory? Show me from the Hadith or Quran that Circumcision is passed down from Ishmael
While male circumcision is a common practice within Islam and is considered a sunnah (a recommended practice),
it is not considered obligatory or compulsory in Islamic law. Different schools of Islamic jurisprudence have varying opinions, with some considering it highly recommended and others viewing it as permissible but not mandatory.
(17-07-2025, 01:28 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]While God promised Abraham that the covenant blessings would pass through Isaac, Abraham's son with Sarah, He also made it clear that Ishmael, Abraham's son with Hagar, would also be blessed and become a great nation.
God's promise to Ishmael included blessings of fruitfulness, a large family, and twelve princes. However, the covenant, with its specific promises of descendants and land, was established specifically with Isaac and his lineage.
God specific promise about the Circumcision is only with the Israelites
So Prophet Abraham circumcised Prophet Ishmael, with an axe, for fun?
(17-07-2025, 01:48 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]If you follow Ishmael, why is circumcision not compulsory? Show me from the Hadith or Quran that Circumcision is passed down from Ishmael
While male circumcision is a common practice within Islam and is considered a sunnah (a recommended practice), it is not considered obligatory or compulsory in Islamic law. Different schools of Islamic jurisprudence have varying opinions, with some considering it highly recommended and others viewing it as permissible but not mandatory.
I already gave you the Quranic verse where we are told to follow Prophet Abraham.
(17-07-2025, 01:50 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]So Prophet Abraham circumcised Prophet Ishmael, with an axe, for fun?
I hate to give you a like under this kind of circumstances...
(17-07-2025, 01:54 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]I already gave you the Quranic verse where we are told to follow Prophet Abraham.
This circumcision is a big thing you know...the Quran needs to explain...cannot suka suka say follow but it is not compulsory...this is contradicting!
(17-07-2025, 01:50 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]So Prophet Abraham circumcised Prophet Ishmael, with an axe, for fun?
God did not say that Ishmael descendants should also be circumcised....
(17-07-2025, 01:54 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]I already gave you the Quranic verse where we are told to follow Prophet Abraham.
Nothing to do with Ishmael since it is not compulsory
In Islam, circumcision (khitan) for males is a highly emphasized practice, often described as a Sunnah (recommended or emphasized practice) and is considered a sign of purification and belonging to the faith.
While not explicitly mandated in the Quran, it is widely practiced and considered a tradition of Prophet Muhammad. Some Islamic scholars view it as obligatory (wajib), while others consider it strongly recommended (sunnah).
Ultimately, the decision to circumcise is often made by families based on their interpretation of Islamic teachings and cultural norms.
(17-07-2025, 01:50 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]So Prophet Abraham circumcised Prophet Ishmael, with an axe, for fun?
I have been wanting to ask you a question...according to the Quran, which son is Abraham offering as a sacrifice?
(17-07-2025, 03:51 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]I have been wanting to ask you a question...according to the Quran, which son is Abraham offering as a sacrifice?
If it’s not Ishmael he will not reply u
Last time circumcision used axe 🪓? if chop Wrong the whole thing will be gone
(17-07-2025, 04:33 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote: [ -> ]If it’s not Ishmael he will not reply u
He says the Quran is the authority over the Bible...so I ask what his Quran says
(17-07-2025, 04:35 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote: [ -> ]Last time circumcision used axe 🪓? if chop Wrong the whole thing will be gone
Yes...use butter knife safer
slowly cụt!!!
Who uses axe for Circumcision
(17-07-2025, 04:57 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]![[Image: muppets-muppet-show.gif]](https://i.ibb.co/8LvMP8D4/muppets-muppet-show.gif)
He ate too much now go lausai liao lol
(17-07-2025, 02:00 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]God did not say that Ishmael descendants should also be circumcised....
God says the descendants of Abraham, and that includes the Ishmaelites.
(17-07-2025, 06:09 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]God says the descendants of Abraham, and that includes the Ishmaelites.
So Abrahim offered which son as a sacrifice?
(17-07-2025, 06:09 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]God says the descendants of Abraham, and that includes the Ishmaelites.
Muhammad ask you to follow Abraham...but why you don call God, Jehovah?
(17-07-2025, 06:09 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]God says the descendants of Abraham, and that includes the Ishmaelites.
Allah never say that Circumcision has anything to do with Ishmael
Circumcision is considered part of the sunnah, the practice and traditions of the Prophet Muhammad,
who is believed to have been born without a foreskin.
(17-07-2025, 06:09 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]God says the descendants of Abraham, and that includes the Ishmaelites.
Isaac as the Chosen Heir:
This declaration highlighted that Isaac, not Ishmael, was the chosen heir of the covenant promises.
(17-07-2025, 06:31 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]Allah never say that Circumcision has anything to do with Ishmael
Circumcision is considered part of the sunnah, the practice and traditions of the Prophet Muhammad, who is believed to have been born without a foreskin.
So, the covenant of circumcision covers the descendants of Abraham, pbuh, which includes Ishmael, pbuh.
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