(23-05-2025, 11:12 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]I think you are not following my argument and you just keep mocking.
Let me try slowly. Do you know that Jesus wasn't known in Jerusalem? The common folks in Jerusalem only heard of him. They don't know what he looks like.
Do you know that?
I will grant you that..I will appeal to your logic then
You mean John was not there? Mary His mother is not there?
(23-05-2025, 11:23 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]I will grant you that..I will appeal to your logic then
You mean John was not there? Mary His mother is not there?
They both were there
The moslems were not there
This forum often hanged
Like gg to close down 🤔
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(23-05-2025, 11:23 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]I will grant you that..I will appeal to your logic then
You mean John was not there? Mary His mother is not there?
In the earlier Gospel, it says they all fled.
So why after a few decades, the author of John changed that story?
(23-05-2025, 11:33 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]In the earlier Gospel, it says they all fled.
So why after a few decades, the author of John changed that story?
Nothing changed lah .John was the only one of the 12 to stay at the crucifixion scene
(23-05-2025, 11:26 AM)Lukongsimi Wrote: [ -> ]They both were there
The moslems were not there
According to Islam, we are also moslems
(23-05-2025, 11:27 AM)Lukongsimi Wrote: [ -> ]This forum often hanged
Like gg to close down 🤔
Connection unsecured
Ya lor, I kena 3 times yesterday..write finish and when I want to post..it says it is down..something like that
(23-05-2025, 11:41 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]Nothing changed lah .John was the only one of the 12 to stay at the crucifixion scene
So the earlier Gospel says "All" but it doesn't mean all?
So, all doesn't mean all. Only doesn't mean only.
(23-05-2025, 11:49 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]So the earlier Gospel says "All" but it doesn't mean all?
So, all doesn't mean all. Only doesn't mean only.
Where...show me the verse.
Other than John, none of the disciples were there at the crucifixion. All of Jesus' disciples deserted Him..
That is right .all of them fled
(23-05-2025, 11:57 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]Where...show me the verse.
Other than John, none of the disciples were there at the crucifixion. All of Jesus' disciples deserted Him..
That is right .all of them fled
When Mark 14:50 says all the disciples fled, it doesn't mean all?
(23-05-2025, 12:02 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]When Mark 14:50 says all the disciples fled, it doesn't mean all?
It could mean all fled including John but He came back and remain there
John was the only disciple of the 12 who stayed by the crucifixtion
The most loved disciple who received the revelation lived till old ripe age
He was boiled in hot oil but survived
Jesus entrusted his mother Mary to John’s care.
I dreamt of Jesus crucified body lying in a boat on clear water with his people climbing the mountain
That brought me to go baptism after I failed 3 times to go n baptise.
(23-05-2025, 12:02 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]When Mark 14:50 says all the disciples fled, it doesn't mean all?
(23-05-2025, 12:13 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]It could mean all fled including John but He came back and remain there
Read the other 3 gospels lah!
Don't base on just 1 lah!
(23-05-2025, 12:53 PM)cheekopekman Wrote: [ -> ]Read the other 3 gospels lah! Don't base on just 1 lah!
What did the other 3 gospels say? John stayed and all of them ran ...this could he the interpretation
(23-05-2025, 12:13 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]It could mean all fled including John but He came back and remain there
That's your spin.
What is more likely, this is an embellishment, as with the many other embellishments we can find in the Gospels.
(23-05-2025, 12:53 PM)cheekopekman Wrote: [ -> ]Read the other 3 gospels lah! Don't base on just 1 lah!
In Mark, Matthew, and Luke, all the disciples fled.
(23-05-2025, 01:15 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]That's your spin.
What is more likely, this is an embellishment, as with the many other embellishments we can find in the Gospels.
That is untrue...like I said .John stayed. Then everyone deserted Jesus and fled..that's why we have the 4 gospels so that you can check and hold them accountable for any differences.
Can the same be applied to the Quran? No..it is the speech of Muhammad only..
(23-05-2025, 01:29 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]That is untrue...like I said .John stayed. Then everyone deserted Jesus and fled..that's why we have the 4 gospels so that you can check and hold them accountable for any differences.
Can the same be applied to the Quran? No..it is the speech of Muhammad only..
So the first 3 Gospels said John also fled, but they changed the story a few decades later.
So who is telling the truth?
(23-05-2025, 01:29 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]Can the same be applied to the Quran? No..it is the speech of Muhammad only..
The Quran is from the almighty God. If it were the speech of a man, surely you will find many contradictions. But there is not even 1 contradiction.
(23-05-2025, 01:35 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]The Quran is from the almighty God. If it were the speech of a man, surely you will find many contradictions. But there is not even 1 contradiction.
There are many contradictions like shooting stars are missiles thrown by allah against the devils who eavesdrop...are you kidding mẹ? Pls explain
The Quran and the Bible present differing accounts of key events and theological concepts, leading to what many consider contradictions. For example, the Quran denies the Christian concept of the Trinity and the divinity of Jesus, while the Bible affirms these doctrines. The Quran also contradicts the Bible's account of Jesus' crucifixion, stating that Jesus was not killed or crucified, but appeared to be. Additionally, the Quran's teachings on God's love being dependent on obedience, contrast with the Bible's emphasis on God's unconditional love.
Here's a more detailed look at some key areas of disagreement:
1. Divinity of Jesus: The Quran denies the divinity of Jesus, stating he was a prophet and not the Son of God. The Bible, particularly the New Testament, emphasizes Jesus' role as the Son of God and the incarnation of God.
2. The Trinity: The Quran rejects the Christian concept of the Trinity (God existing as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit), stating that God is one and unique. The Bible, particularly the Nicene Creed, affirms the Trinity.
3. Crucifixion of Jesus: The Quran states that Jesus was not crucified and that his death was merely an appearance. The Bible emphasizes the crucifixion of Jesus as a central event in salvation history.
4. God's Love: The Quran suggests that God's love is conditional, dependent on obedience and adherence to his commands. The Bible emphasizes God's love for all, regardless of their obedience or faith.
These are just some of the more prominent areas where the Quran and the Bible differ, leading to theological and philosophical discussions about the nature of God, Jesus, and the path to salvation.
(23-05-2025, 01:40 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]There are many contradictions like shooting stars are missiles thrown by allah against the devils who eavesdrop...are you kidding mẹ? Pls explain
How is that a contradiction? Do you even know what is a contradiction?
You can disbelieve that, but you cannot say that is a contradiction.
(23-05-2025, 01:34 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]So the first 3 Gospels said John also fled, but they changed the story a few decades later.
So who is telling the truth?
Just because the 3 gospels didnt talk about John..it doesn't mean that the story has changed or it isn't the truth..John gave his own account..
most scholarly interpretations of the Bible confirm that the Apostle John was present at the crucifixion
(23-05-2025, 01:45 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]How is that a contradiction? Do you even know what is a contradiction?
You can disbelieve that, but you cannot say that is a contradiction.
That is a contradiction to science..it is strange you claim Islam can get the embryology correct but cannot get the astrology part correct .
(23-05-2025, 01:48 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]That is a contradiction to science..it is strange you claim Islam can get the embryology correct but cannot get the astrology part correct .
Does science talk about the devil or satan or angels?
(23-05-2025, 02:01 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]Yes..this is very true ..
If you can find even 1 contradiction, that means the Quran is not from God.
Go ahead. Try if you can.