(14-07-2025, 07:50 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]We know everything about the Prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم. His interactions with the Jews and the Christians were all documented.
There is no record of the Prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم ever checking with the Jews or any Christians.
You know everything? So during his dialogues with the christians...what were they debating?
(14-07-2025, 07:55 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]You are free to anyhow interpret the Quran
Tell me if Allah is confirming corrupted scriptures?
We have revealed to you ˹O Prophet˺ this Book with the truth, as a confirmation of previous Scriptures and a supreme authority on them. So judge between them by what Allah has revealed, and do not follow their desires over the truth that has come to you. To each of you We have ordained a code of law and a way of life. If Allah had willed, He would have made you one community, but His Will is to test you with what He has given ˹each of˺ you. So compete with one another in doing good. To Allah you will all return, then He will inform you ˹of the truth˺ regarding your differences.
Yes, with the Quran, we know what is true in the previous scripture and
what is false. The Quran is the confirmation.
I'll give you an example. Why do we believe the son of Mary pbuh wasn't crucified or killed? Because the Quran tell us so.
That should end your attempt to make us think the Bible is authoritative. It is not.
(14-07-2025, 07:58 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]You know everything? So during his dialogues with the christians...what were they debating?
I said "we", meaning the Muslims.
Which debate? I can find the Hadith for you.
(14-07-2025, 07:50 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]We know everything about the Prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم. His interactions with the Jews and the Christians were all documented.
There is no record of the Prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم ever checking with the Jews or any Christians.
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In Islamic tradition,
Prophet Muhammad learned about Moses (Musa) primarily through divine revelation and his interactions with the "People of the Book" (Jews and Christians). The Quranic accounts of Moses share similarities with the biblical narrative but also contain unique details and interpretations.
Muhammad is said to have confirmed the authenticity of the Torah and Gospel, while also acknowledging differences and highlighting his own revelations.
(14-07-2025, 08:02 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]I love AI
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In Islamic tradition, Prophet Muhammad learned about Moses (Musa) primarily through divine revelation and his interactions with the "People of the Book" (Jews and Christians). The Quranic accounts of Moses share similarities with the biblical narrative but also contain unique details and interpretations. Muhammad is said to have confirmed the authenticity of the Torah and Gospel, while also acknowledging differences and highlighting his own revelations.
If you want to prove our Prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم checked with the previous scriptures, you need to use our scriptures to do that.
Good luck trying.
(14-07-2025, 08:00 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]Yes, with the Quran, we know what is true in the previous scripture and what is false. The Quran is the confirmation.
I'll give you an example. Why do we believe the son of Mary pbuh wasn't crucified or killed? Because the Quran tell us so.
That should end your attempt to make us think the Bible is authoritative. It is not.
So the Quran is a confirmation over corrupted scriptures....
(14-07-2025, 08:08 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]If you want to prove our Prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم checked with the previous scriptures, you need to use our scriptures to do that.
Good luck trying.
In a dialogue between him and the christian delegate...did he not ask questions? Or he simply sit there quietly?
The christians can only replied from what the scriptures said....is Muhammad not checking with previous scriptures?
(14-07-2025, 08:09 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]So the Quran is a confirmation over corrupted scriptures....
The Quran confirms that there is falsehood in the previous scriptures.
(14-07-2025, 08:11 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]In a dialogue between him and the christian delegate...did he not ask questions? Or he simply sit there quietly?
The christians can only replied from what the scriptures said....is Muhammad not checking with previous scriptures?
Did the Prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم challenge them or take lessons from them?
(14-07-2025, 08:14 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]The Quran confirms that there is falsehood in the previous scriptures.
, "Then is it other than Allah I should seek as judge while it is He who has revealed to you the Book explained in detail?"
And those to whom We [previously] gave the Scripture know that it is sent down from your Lord in truth, so never be among the doubters. And the word of your Lord has been fulfilled in truth and in justice.
None can alter His words, and He is the Hearing, the Knowing
You are the doubter...so here Allah tells us not to doubt but you said Allah said there were falsehood...
The Islamic dilemma continues!
(14-07-2025, 08:18 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]
, "Then is it other than Allah I should seek as judge while it is He who has revealed to you the Book explained in detail?" And those to whom We [previously] gave the Scripture know that it is sent down from your Lord in truth, so never be among the doubters. And the word of your Lord has been fulfilled in truth and in justice. None can alter His words, and He is the Hearing, the Knowing
You are the doubter...so here Allah tells us not to doubt but you said Allah said there were falsehood...
The Islamic dilemma continues!
Are you clear now that the Quran confirms the falsehood in the Bible? An example is the alleged crucifixion. The Bible says Jesus was crucified but the Quran tells us that the Bible is false on that.
Clear now?
(14-07-2025, 08:15 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]Did the Prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم challenge them or take lessons from them?
Did he ask questions about the previous scriptures?
(14-07-2025, 08:20 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]Are you clear now that the Quran confirms the falsehood in the Bible? An example is the alleged crucifixion. The Bible says Jesus was crucified but the Quran tells us that the Bible is false on that.
Clear now?
you can check with your favourite scholar bart erhman on the crucifixion...he will not agree with you
(14-07-2025, 08:22 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ] you can check with your favourite scholar bart erhman on the crucifixion...he will not agree with you
Bart Ehrman's position on the crucifixion only proves the accuracy of the Quranic verse 4:157.
(14-07-2025, 08:21 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]Did he ask questions about the previous scriptures?
To challenge or to take lesson?
(14-07-2025, 08:15 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]Did the Prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم challenge them or take lessons from them?
Muhammad argued with the christians because he believes the injil was not in line with his own revelations....is he really not checking with what the previous scriptures say?
(14-07-2025, 08:28 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]Muhammad argued with the christians because he believes the injil was not in line with his own revelations....is he really not checking with what the previous scriptures say?
Even we, the common people, already know that there are falsehoods in the NT. We already know about the forgery of the Trinity verse and other later additions.
(14-07-2025, 08:27 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]To challenge or to take lesson?
Muhammad needs to understand what the previous scriptures say! That is why he is challenging the christians ....
(14-07-2025, 08:31 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ] Muhammad needs to understand what the previous scriptures say! That is why he is challenging the christians ....
Is that your opinion or what our scholars say?
(14-07-2025, 08:30 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]Even we, the common people, already know that there are falsehoods in the NT. We already know about the forgery of the Trinity verse and other later additions.
even your islamic scholars attest to the uncorrupted Bible
(14-07-2025, 08:32 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]Is that your opinion or what our scholars say?
That is simple common sense...can you and me enage in a debate without understanding each other faith?
I say Jesus is God and you say No...are you not understanding what my scriptures say?
(14-07-2025, 08:32 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ] even your islamic scholars attest to the uncorrupted Bible
When Allah says that they have tampered with the previous scriptures, which Islamic scholar would go against what Allah says?
(14-07-2025, 08:33 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]That is simple common sense...can you and me enage in a debate without understanding each other faith?
When it comes to you, sense is not common.
(14-07-2025, 08:33 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]I say Jesus is God and you say No...are you not understanding what my scriptures say?
Show me where Jesus says he is God. That's a challenge, not asking for lesson.
(14-07-2025, 08:35 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]Show me where Jesus says he is God. That's a challenge, not asking for lesson.
I'm just taking the stance of the christians delegate...it is questions like this Muhammad will challenge
(14-07-2025, 08:35 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]Show me where Jesus says he is God. That's a challenge, not asking for lesson.
Show me where Jesus says he is the kalimathu and messiah from the Quran
(14-07-2025, 08:35 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]When it comes to you, sense is not common.
I know you have none because I need to remind you all the time....Allah gave you a brain to think
sounds familiar?