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(23-06-2025, 08:12 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]Don be foolish!

the verse is often interpreted as referring to the sky, not the entire universe, and is seen as a description of God's creative power rather than a prediction of the expanding universe....

The verse is still the same as it was 1,400+ years ago when it was revealed. As-samaa' refers to everything above us, and Lamusiun can be translated to "expanding". Ergo, the verse is still accurate in the light of modern science.

Again, the question is: where did Muhammad صلي الله عليه وسلم get that information from, if we are to go by your claim that the author of the Quran is Muhammad صلي الله عليه وسلم.
(23-06-2025, 08:26 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]The verse is still the same as it was 1,400+ years ago when it was revealed. As-samaa' refers to everything above us, and Lamusiun can be translated to "expanding". Ergo, the verse is still accurate in the light of modern science.

Again, the question is: where did Muhammad صلي الله عليه وسلم get that information from, if we are to go by your claim that the author of the Quran is Muhammad صلي الله عليه وسلم.

If there are debates then it in not conclusive

Contextual Analysis:
Some scholars analyze the verse within its broader context in the Quran, comparing it to other verses and exploring the usage of similar words in different contexts, leading to different conclusions about its meaning. 
(23-06-2025, 08:26 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]Again, the question is: where did Muhammad صلي الله عليه وسلم get that information from, if we are to go by your claim that the author of the Quran is Muhammad صلي الله عليه وسلم.

From stories told by others, from word of mouth or literate individuals.    .....endless possibilities!
(23-06-2025, 08:45 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]If there are debates then it in not conclusive

Contextual Analysis:
Some scholars analyze the verse within its broader context in the Quran, comparing it to other verses and exploring the usage of similar words in different contexts, leading to different conclusions about its meaning. 

So, we have a verse in the Quran that can be accurately translated such that it matches the findings of modern science.

The question remains. Where did the information come from?
(23-06-2025, 08:47 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]From stories told by others, from word of mouth or literate individuals.    .....endless possibilities!

So, you're guessing now.
(23-06-2025, 06:58 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]Apparently, Muhammad also guaranteed salvation  Laughing

Sahih al-Bukhari 6807
Narrated Sahl bin Sa`d:

The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Whoever guarantees me (the chastity of) what is between his legs (i.e. his private parts), and what is between his jaws (i.e., his tongue), I guarantee him Paradise."

What does this mean? If you are a virgin, you go to heaven? Laughing
Means most people will not go to paradise if follows muh his sexual desires ?
(23-06-2025, 06:55 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]The Quran talks about the Trinity ..show me that the Quran got the 3 persons of the Trinity right!  Laughing
It never gets anything right!!
They believe allah muh and Gibril
(23-06-2025, 08:57 AM)Lukongsimi Wrote: [ -> ]Means most people will not go to paradise if follows muh his sexual desires ?

The ill-mannered Christian is back.
(23-06-2025, 09:01 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]The ill-mannered Christian is back.
Asking a question also ill mannered?
Your brain is small
Whenever I log in pachik cannot stay long
Yesterday I purposely not log in the battle ends late at nite
lol
(23-06-2025, 08:57 AM)Lukongsimi Wrote: [ -> ]Means most people will not go to paradise if follows muh his sexual desires ?

Virgins go heaven... Non virgins go where? Thinking Muhammad can only guaranteed virgins Big Grin
(23-06-2025, 09:06 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]Virgins go heaven... Non virgins go where? Thinking Muhammad can only guaranteed virgins Big Grin

Non virgins go to be with muh lol
Is that what the book means ?
(23-06-2025, 08:53 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]So, you're guessing now.

He can get the information from many sources....why are you limiting Muhammad just like how you limit the potential of God?
(23-06-2025, 09:02 AM)Lukongsimi Wrote: [ -> ]Asking a question also ill mannered?
Your brain is small

You are ill-mannered, whether you're asking a question or not.

But its okay. I understand you got it from your upbringing, so you're not to be blamed.
(23-06-2025, 09:08 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]He can get the information from many sources....

From the almighty God?
(23-06-2025, 09:03 AM)Lukongsimi Wrote: [ -> ]Whenever I log in pachik cannot stay long
Yesterday I purposely not log in the battle ends late at nite
lol

He is scare of you  Rotfl
(23-06-2025, 09:09 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]He is scare of you  Rotfl
Oh really ?
lol
(23-06-2025, 09:08 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]You are ill-mannered, whether you're asking a question or not.

But its okay. I understand you got it from your upbringing, so you're not to be blamed.

Your mouth is busok I understand 
It’s your up bringing cannot be blamed
Moslems are taught to hate Christians
Kill every Jews that hide behind a tree
No love only hatred
(23-06-2025, 09:08 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]From the almighty God?

Scholars debated on that verse and there are various interpretations....

It was never from God directly... it is safe to say it was from an entity claiming to be Jibril
(23-06-2025, 09:11 AM)Lukongsimi Wrote: [ -> ]Your mouth is busok I understand 
It’s your up bringing cannot be blamed
Moslems are taught to hate Christians
Kill every Jews that hide behind a tree
No love only hatred

Rotfl He early early find problem with you liao
(23-06-2025, 09:12 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]Scholars debated on that verse and there are various interpretations....

It was never from God directly... it is safe to say it was from an entity claiming to be Jibril

How do you know it is "never from God"?
(23-06-2025, 09:14 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]Rotfl He early early find problem with you liao
Right because he cannot take the truth lol
(23-06-2025, 09:15 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]How do you know it is "never from God"?

The Bible never mention God will
Send another book to a prophet 
To contradict the Bible
(23-06-2025, 09:15 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]How do you know it is "never from God"?

Because it was from an entity claiming to be Jibril..
(23-06-2025, 09:18 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]Because it was from an entity claiming to be Jibril..

How do you know it wasn't Jibril?
(23-06-2025, 09:19 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]How do you know it wasn't Jibril?

How do you know if it wasn't the devil pretending to be Jibril?
(23-06-2025, 09:18 AM)Lukongsimi Wrote: [ -> ]The Bible never mention God will
Send another book to a prophet 
To contradict the Bible

How do you know the Bible is correct when your scholars already agree that it has been manipulated by men?
(23-06-2025, 09:20 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]How do you know if it wasn't the devil pretending to be Jibril?

Because, among other reasons, of the words of Jesus as recorded in the Gospel.

I'll let you guess which verse I'm referring to.
(23-06-2025, 09:20 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]How do you know the Bible is correct when your scholars already agree that it has been manipulated by men?
It’s been manipulated by your religion
(23-06-2025, 09:20 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]How do you know if it wasn't the devil pretending to be Jibril?

Devil sides devil mah
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