SG Talk

The opening passage of the New Testament declares that Jesus is Immanuel (God with us), referencing the messianic prediction of Isaiah 7:14. Yahweh says in Zechariah 12:10, "They will look on Me when they have pierced." The NT writers make references to this passage twice in John 19:37 Rev 1:7, with predictions of His crucifixion. Paul quotes Isaiah's passage, "For I am God, and there is no other.. To Me every knee will bow, every tongue will swear allegiance" (Isa 45:22-23) and applies to his Lord, "at the name of Jesus every knee will bow, every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father (Phil 2:10-11). Paul says all created beings will call Jesus both Messiah (Christ) and Yahweh (Lord).

The apostles called Jesus Christ the Savior of the world (John 4:42; Isa 43:3), the Forgiver of sins (Acts 5:31; Col 3:13; Jer 31:34; Ps 130:4). Some things only God can do, but these very things are attributed to Christ by His disciples: "Jesus ... is to judge the living and the dead" (2 Tim 4:1). Jesus is able to raise the dead (John 11) and forgive sins (Acts 13:38). He's the primary agent in creating the universe (John 1:3; Col 1:16) and in sustaining its existence (v 17).

According to Islam...the Mahdi, a figure in Islamic eschatology is expected to appear before the Day of Judgment....guess what? one moslem recently laid claim to the title ....

This moslem is a dangerous figure

https://m.youtube.com/shorts/dzLoJFKzQ54

hot day 
Better don’t waste time here debating with a moslem

(30-04-2025, 12:29 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote: [ -> ]hot day 
Better don’t waste time here debating with a moslem

I believe it's quite evident who comes out on top here. Hope exited quickly while the other is begging for treatment like a seven-year-old.

I'm casually reading through this thread in a relax mood feeling confident that the Moslems no longer have any questions that can shake my faith.... I've also demonstrated that their situation is even more chaotic than it appears.

(29-04-2025, 11:00 PM)S I M T A N Wrote: [ -> ]"For I am God, and there is no other.."

Who is that speaking? You will say it is the Father speaking. If the Father is one of the 3 persons of the Trinity, why would the Father say there is no other god besides him? Read it again. It is clear as day. How come you missed that?

This is exactly the same argument I've used in John 17:3, where the son says the Father is the only true God, negating the Trinity.

(30-04-2025, 01:32 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]I believe it's quite evident who comes out on top here. Hope exited quickly while the other is begging for treatment like a seven-year-old.

I'm casually reading through this thread in a relax mood feeling confident that the Moslems no longer have any questions that can shake my faith.... I've also demonstrated that their situation is even more chaotic than it appears.

U have the patience to deal with him. 
He is rotating his silly  remarks nothing else.

(30-04-2025, 03:02 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote: [ -> ]U have the patience to deal with him. 
He is rotating his silly  remarks nothing else.

The Bible is fully detailed, comprehensive and provides all the answers he needed....he can play a fool but the Bible has all the answers..However, this cannot be said about the Quran, as I have demonstrated multiple times...it is so lacking in details...

(30-04-2025, 02:08 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]Who is that speaking? You will say it is the Father speaking. If the Father is one of the 3 persons of the Trinity, why would the Father say there is no other god besides him? Read it again. It is clear as day. How come you missed that?

This is exactly the same argument I've used in John 17:3, where the son says the Father is the only true God, negating the Trinity.

You're always getting into arguments over Trinity and the divinity of Christ. For obvious reasons, you kept ignoring the numerous scriptural texts I've posted from time to time, all of which affirm Jesus's deity. Instead, you chose to bring out some seemingly obscure passages every now and then to deny His divinity, passages that we've already debated.

Let me reiterate that Jesus's statement that the "Father is the only true God" does not mean the Son is not truly God, unless He'd said "only the Father is God." Second, Jesus said, "The Father is greater than I" (John 14:28). Of course, the Father as God is greater than Jesus is as a man. And the Father is greater in office, but not in nature. Hence, Jesus as a man on earth was God only in a derivative sense, but the Son of God is called God who is God in an absolute sense.

Please read John 1:1-2; 8:58; 20:28; Rom 9:5; Heb 1:8 for a better understanding of why Jesus as a man with a divine mission on earth was really God. Jesus offered three lines of miraculous evidence to confirm His claim to be God - His fulfillment of prophecy, His sinless life and miraculous deeds, and His resurrection. By the way, you haven't responded to my earlier statement that no force would have wanted to rob Christianity of that resurrection claim more than Islam did. Yet the truth stands tall.

With the exception of Islam and a few sects like the Docetists, almost everyone accepts the humanity of Jesus. It's His deity that has been questioned most, and Muslims are among the most vocal skeptics. "Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world" (1 John 4:2-3).

(01-05-2025, 01:51 AM)S I M T A N Wrote: [ -> ]You're always getting into arguments over Trinity and the divinity of Christ. For obvious reasons, you kept ignoring the numerous scriptural texts I've posted from time to time, all of which affirm Jesus's deity. Instead, you chose to bring out some seemingly obscure passages every now and then to deny His divinity, passages that we've already debated.

He feels caught in a no man's land... Sometimes I genuinely sympathize with him because one of the core Islamic articles of faith requires him to believe in our scriptures. It's quite perplexing and somewhat foolish if their God guided him to believe something that contradicts his own faith.

So, he ends up here, selectively choosing verses to justify that our scriptures don't convey their true meaning. Perhaps, through this approach, he might find some inner peace.

(01-05-2025, 01:51 AM)S I M T A N Wrote: [ -> ]You're always getting into arguments over Trinity and the divinity of Christ. For obvious reasons, you kept ignoring the numerous scriptural texts I've posted from time to time, all of which affirm Jesus's deity. Instead, you chose to bring out some seemingly obscure passages every now and then to deny His divinity, passages that we've already debated.

Actually, it was you who brought up Isaiah.

(29-04-2025, 11:00 PM)S I M T A N Wrote: [ -> ]"For I am God, and there is no other.."

To me, that statement is not obscure and it is unambiguous. It does not need any interpretation. A 7-year-old reading it can understand. The Father clearly saying there is no other God besides him, which was also echoed by Jesus when he said that the Father is the only true God. If we take those verses at face value without any interpretation, we can only come to one conclusion on where the son of Mary stands.

Realise this, bro. The Father already said, "... there is no other," but you are saying the Father wasn't clear enough because you believe there are others besides the Father. Similarly, when Jesus said the Father is the only true God, he wasn't clear enough because you believe Jesus is also a true God.

(01-05-2025, 01:51 AM)S I M T A N Wrote: [ -> ]By the way, you haven't responded to my earlier statement that no force would have wanted to rob Christianity of that resurrection claim more than Islam did. Yet the truth stands tall.

The resurrection is a non-issue for us because we believe he didn't die. What you believe does not affect my faith, Islam.

I believe God, in his mercy, saved the son of Mary from the evil of men who wanted to get rid of him. In stark contrast, you believe God refused Jesus's prayer and let him be killed by his enemies.

(01-05-2025, 01:51 AM)S I M T A N Wrote: [ -> ]With the exception of Islam and a few sects like the Docetists, almost everyone accepts the humanity of Jesus.

I don't get it. I'm sure you know that we Muslims believe Jesus is a human.

Don come and tell me God in His mercy saved Jesus...Jesus had a purpose and it is sacrificing His sinless self for man kind...

If your God is merciful, why did He allow thousands of His worshippers to die annually during Hajj? Does that mean your God is not real since He can't show any compassion for human lives?

If he can't protect the lives of the innocent on their pilgrimage to Mecca, how can you trust he'll protect the Quran?

There is no need for Allah of the Quran to impregnate Mary by the spirit, then give Jesus all these miraculous powers, giving him a sinless nature, and eventually just ascent hịm to heaven to escape danger .....no need for all the drama....just an ordinary man can do Jesus's job...no need for Allah to get too creative with His creations....what is He trying to prove?
It makes no sense to me...readers can think logically for themselves

Reject this buffoon

https://youtube.com/shorts/vK8JvRWPl20?s...yuyXh2N3Oz

Christian doctrine, as reflected in the major Christian creeds and confessional statements, holds that Jesus ascended after his resurrection, where he was exalted as Lord and Christ, sitting at the right hand of God. Islamic doctrine holds that Jesus directly ascended to heaven without dying or resurrecting.

In theory and in Islamic terms, shouldn't Jesus be the last messenger since He is still alive?  He is still able to hear your prayers while Muhammad is not around.. That last messenger title should go to Jesus instead

(Yesterday, 09:12 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]Actually, it was you who brought up Isaiah.

To me, that statement is not obscure and it is unambiguous. It does not need any interpretation. A 7-year-old reading it can understand. The Father clearly saying there is no other God besides him, which was also echoed by Jesus when he said that the Father is the only true God. If we take those verses at face value without any interpretation, we can only come to one conclusion on where the son of Mary stands.

Realise this, bro. The Father already said, "... there is no other," but you are saying the Father wasn't clear enough because you believe there are others besides the Father. Similarly, when Jesus said the Father is the only true God, he wasn't clear enough because you believe Jesus is also a true God.




The resurrection is a non-issue for us because we believe he didn't die. What you believe does not affect my faith, Islam.

I believe God, in his mercy, saved the son of Mary from the evil of men who wanted to get rid of him. In stark contrast, you believe God refused Jesus's prayer and let him be killed by his enemies.




I don't get it. I'm sure you know that we Muslims believe Jesus is a human.

Muslims generally don't believe in the triune Godhead. You're a very orthodox Muslim, and since you can't imagine one God in three persons, you often strike a discordant note, interpreting the verse as 'only one God' (the Father) - while omitting the Son and the Holy Spirit - just to suit your book. (the oneness of Allah)

Truth be known, God is one, and yet He's more than one; He is simultaneously plural and singular. This truth is immediately introduced to us by the first three words of the Bible (in the Hebrew text) and run throughout the Scriptures, shedding light on God's triune identity

"You shall have no other gods before Me" (Exodus 20:3). Not only is God triune, He's also a jealous God who won't tolerate a rival, incl an imaginary, nonexistent god or an idol. An idol is anything that we put first in our lives besides God or consider more important than Him, such as love of self, love of money, and love of pleasure.

Let's take a look at 'love' - an absolute moral value that's universally accepted and expected by all people. Love might cast some light on the Holy Trinity.

People express love and expect love, but they're not love by nature. Humans' love changes and is limited. Love is something that people have, but not something that they are. All moral absolutes must have an absolute prescriber. Humans are not absolute. So where does love come from?

The Christian answer is, love comes from God. The Bible says, "God is love" (1 John 4:16) Since God is by nature love, He can give love to His creatures. We have love; He is love. The nature of God is the source of all love and it's reflected in the people that He has made in His image. Since God is love, then the command to love is a command to know God first, so that we can know the nature of love.

The key to the Christian doctrine of love is found in the Trinity. God has one nature, but that nature is expressed in three persons rather than one nature or one person like us. The Father is the Lover. The Son is the Loved or Beloved, and the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Love flowing between and from them.

Love itself is the Trinity. Each has perfect intimacy with the other two persons. They love each other. Ergo, the nature of God is love. If God were only one person, this couldn't be true. Creation is the Godhead proclaiming, "Open the fellowship, so that more may enjoy our love." When humanity sinned, the gates of fellowship closed; but in Christ's death, the veil that separated humanity from God was torn (Luke 23:45; Heb 10:19-20), and the proclamation went out again: "Open the fellowship, so that all may enjoy our love."

(01-05-2025, 10:55 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]He feels caught in a no man's land... Sometimes I genuinely sympathize with him because one of the core Islamic articles of faith requires him to believe in our scriptures. It's quite perplexing and somewhat foolish if their God guided him to believe something that contradicts his own faith.

So, he ends up here, selectively choosing verses to justify that our scriptures don't convey their true meaning. Perhaps, through this approach, he might find some inner peace.

Muhammad's writings are called the Qur'an, which he claims were dictated to him by the angel Gabriel. Ali Imran, a fervid follower of the founder of Islam, is holding on firmly to his teachings which may be summed up in 5 doctrines - 1) the oneness of God (Allah), 2) prophets (Muhammad is the last), 3) many angels (good and bad), 4) final day of judgement (followed by heaven and hell), 5) the Qur'an is the word of God (though it references the Law, Psalms, and Gospel, which Muslims believe have been corrupted.

Muhammad, Ali and other adherents of Islam would agree with Jesus that "God is one." They selectively pick biblical passages with ambiguous phrases like "the only true God" to deny the doctrine of the Trinity and underline their teaching that Allah isn't triune. (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) The God of the Bible is. Saying God has a Son, as the Bible does, is an unforgiveable sin known as shirk to Muslims. For this reason, they'll never acknowledge Jesus is God.

Ali Amran is very different from the general run of Muslims. He's a practicing Moslem with a difference - he has a lifelong obsession with locking horns with Bible-believing Christians, and debating with stubborn determination to disprove the foundational beliefs of Christianity. But he's up against a wall, what with apologists like yourself, LKSM who are prepared to go to the wall to defend our beliefs. As God's representatives, we must portray Him faithfully and stand our ground on issues that are important to Him.