(02-06-2025, 11:58 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]Know this. Quite a few of the learned intellectuals among the children of Israel who met Muhammad صلي الله عليه وسلم converted to Islam.
Do you know why?
Why? Because they don want to pay the jizya? They don want to die?
(02-06-2025, 09:13 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]Yes, I believe in the hereafter, and the punishments of the grave, and the hell fire, without doubt. I'm not lying when I say that.
Do you really believe in the punishment of hell, Pink?
I prefer a temporary hell ...
(02-06-2025, 12:09 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]Why? Because they don want to pay the jizya? They don want to die?
Let' take an example of the early children of Israel who converted to Islam at the time of the Prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم.
His name was Abdullah bin Salam. He was from the tribe Banu Qaynuqa. I'm sure you remember that name. He was a rabbi. He knew the scriptures well. According to AI, he converted because:
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Do you know what this info I'm showing you proves?
(02-06-2025, 12:22 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]Let' take an example of the early children of Israel who converted to Islam at the time of the Prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم.
His name was Abdullah bin Salam. He was from the tribe Banu Qaynuqa. I'm sure you remember that name. He was a rabbi. He knew the scriptures well. According to AI, he converted because:
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Do you know what this info I'm showing you proves?
I'm shocked...
Scholar and Imam Zakir Naid also recognise the prophecies in the torah and take it as the arrival of Muhammad....
Zakir preached to a large crowd...Do you think he is right? I have videos
(02-06-2025, 12:12 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]I prefer a temporary hell ...
You don't want to admit you have doubts about the hereafter, in particular, the idea of hell.
But you are afraid that there is a God, and there is a chance that God will make your life here miserable. That's why you don't want to take up the challenge.
Well, my friend, there was a time, like when I was 30s, when I also doubted that a merciful God would burn people in hell. Even though I believe in Allah 100%, I question why he would do that. Well, this is the beauty of having faith in the One True God. He will answer your questions about faith. Now at 62, I no longer doubt hell. I believe it 100%.
So, believe in the One True God and ask Him to address your doubts, like that one about hell, or His existence, or why the Shema is the most important of all the commandments, etc.
(02-06-2025, 12:28 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]I'm shocked...
Scholar and Imam Zakir Naid also recognise the prophecies in the torah and take it as the arrival of Muhammad....
Zakir preached to a large crowd...Do you think he is right? I have videos
I have no time to watch any videos.
So, let me tell you what it proves.
What it proves, that if a learned man of the scriptures among the Israelites who were in Yathrib, from a hostile tribe of Banu Qaynuqa, who was there waiting for the arrival of the last prophet prophesied in their scriptures, if he recognized Muhammad صلي الله عليه وسلم as that prophet, it means Prophet Muhammad صلي الله عليه وسلم was prophesied in the Torah and the writings of the Prophets, aka Tanakh.
It also proves that some people have removed it from the scriptures because we can no longer find Muhammad's name in the Tanakh or the Torah of the Jews.
Abdullah bin Salaam is just one example. There are many more of them, intellectuals who were learned in the scriptures, who immediately recognized Muhammad صلي الله عليه وسلم as the prophet prophesied in the Jewish Bible, and converted to Islam.
(02-06-2025, 12:46 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]Abdullah bin Salaam is just one example. There are many more of them, intellectuals who were learned in the scriptures, who immediately recognized Muhammad صلي الله عليه وسلم as the prophet prophesied in the Jewish Bible, and converted to Islam.
You are right ...they are smart people! They wouldn't want to pay jizya or risk death...that is survival! Nothing to do with recognising Muhammad or the Quran
(02-06-2025, 12:44 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]I have no time to watch any videos.
So, let me tell you what it proves.
What it proves, that if a learned man of the scriptures among the Israelites who were in Yathrib, from a hostile tribe of Banu Qaynuqa, who was there waiting for the arrival of the last prophet prophesied in their scriptures, if he recognized Muhammad صلي الله عليه وسلم as that prophet, it means Prophet Muhammad صلي الله عليه وسلم was prophesied in the Torah and the writings of the Prophets, aka Tanakh.
It also proves that some people have removed it from the scriptures because we can no longer find Muhammad's name in the Tanakh or the Torah of the Jews.
It just prove that in order to survive ..people resort to lying .
(02-06-2025, 12:54 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]You are right ...they are smart people! They wouldn't want to pay jizya or risk death...that is survival! Nothing to do with recognising Muhammad or the Quran
(02-06-2025, 12:54 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]It just prove that in order to survive ..people resort to lying .
You're mistaken. Abdullah bin Salam immediately recognized the Prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم even before the Prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم arrived at Yathrib, while the Prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم was in Makkah.
When the Prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم moved to Yathrib, he converted and joined the Prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم almost immediately.
This was way before there were animosity between Banu Qaynuqa and the Prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم, way before jizya was introduced.
So, both of your posts refuted.
Any more arguments against the conversion of Abdullah bin Salaam and what it proves?
(02-06-2025, 01:02 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]You're mistaken. Abdullah bin Salam immediately recognized the Prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم even before the Prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم arrived at Yathrib, while the Prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم was in Makkah.
When the Prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم moved to Yathrib, he converted and joined the Prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم almost immediately.
This was way before there were animosity between Banu Qaynuqa and the Prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم, way before jizya was introduced.
So, both of your posts refuted.
Any more arguments against the conversion of Abdullah bin Salaam and what it proves?
If you have a majority ...then I agree with you...don use a few rare cases to justify your position..
This Salaam didnt prove that the scriptures were corrupted...He didnt prove that Muhammad was written in the Torah....He just interpreted the Torah differently....that is it! Zakir also interpreted the Torah differently from what we Christians believe and we prove him why he cannot be right
(02-06-2025, 01:07 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]If you have a majority ...then I agree with you...don use a few rare cases to justify your position..
This Salaam didnt prove that the scriptures were corrupted...He didnt prove that Muhammad was written in the Torah....He just interpreted the Torah differently....that is it! Zakir also interpreted the Torah differently from what we Christians believe and we prove him why he cannot be right
You gave three arguments.
1. Majority
The majority are not learned, not intellectuals.
2. This Salaam didnt prove that the scriptures were corrupted
He said Muhammad was the prophet prophesied in the Jewish scriptures. That means, at this time, the prophecies about Muhammad were still in the Jewish scriptures. How come we don't find them now? Because it has been taken out. And this is a plausible reason why they are still hiding some books of the Dead Sea Scrolls from the public.
Do note that the Dead Sea Scrolls were written way before the time of Jesus.
3. He just interpreted the Torah differently
He was a rabbi, teaching at the synagogue. Do you think they would let him teach if his interpretation of the Tanakh and the Torah differently from others?
“Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.”
1 John 2:22-23 KJV
(02-06-2025, 01:24 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]You gave three arguments.
1. Majority
The majority are not learned, not intellectuals.
2. This Salaam didnt prove that the scriptures were corrupted
He said Muhammad was the prophet prophesied in the Jewish scriptures. That means, at this time, the prophecies about Muhammad were still in the Jewish scriptures. How come we don't find them now? Because it has been taken out. And this is a plausible reason why they are still hiding some books of the Dead Sea Scrolls from the public. Do note that the Dead Sea Scrolls were written way before the time of Jesus.
3. He just interpreted the Torah differently
He was a rabbi, teaching at the synagogue. Do you think they would let him teach if his interpretation of the Tanakh and the Torah differently from others?
1. Majority read the Torah and interpret differently from Salaam.
2. You have no proof of what the jews were hiding.
If it was indeed written .the dilemma would not exist till nơ
3. There are cases where pastors converted to moslem because of their own interpretation or personal agendas
“I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; and they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.”
2 Timothy 4:1-5 KJV
(02-06-2025, 01:35 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]1. Majority read the Torah and interpret differently from Salaam.
2. You have no proof of what the jews were hiding.
If it was indeed written .the dilemma would not exist till nơ
3. There are cases where pastors converted to moslem because of their own interpretation or personal agendas
The dilemma only exist in your head.
(02-06-2025, 06:57 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]Ok pls convert more moslems to Christians..
This time round we are targeting those drug addicts and secret society members lah!
(31-05-2025, 11:09 PM)Hope Wrote: [ -> ]Allah didn’t name the followers of Torah and Injeel as Jews and Christian.You have named it yourself.
As per Quran, The followers of Torah , Injeel and Quran are Muslims.
Muslim means submitting to true God who created this universe and gave scriptures to mankind.
Jesus came to Israelites
Please remember that the conflict in the Middle East involves 2 groups of moslems... On a somber note, one might ask why such tragedies, including the loss of children, occur. Is Allah truly merciful?
Why did the moslem PM quote the Amalekites to justify the killing of innocents?
The Islamic dilemma continues
(02-06-2025, 12:09 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]Why? Because they don want to pay the jizya? They don want to die?
That is a good answer..lol
Force to..
(02-06-2025, 10:03 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote: [ -> ]That is a good answer..lol
Force to..
Most are force to convert because they do not want to pay or die....
Deuteronomy 32:6 This is Moses saying
"Is this the way you repay the LORD, you foolish and unwise people? Is he not your Father, who created you, who made you and established you?"
when you read the New Testament the subject of Islam and the person of Muhammad are never mentioned (though Jesus does warn generally about false prophets in Matthew 7:15-16 and 24:24-25).
No wonder the moslem claimed the bible is corrupted Bo song.
(02-06-2025, 10:10 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]Most are force to convert because they do not want to pay or die....
Anti christ is by force to take up their mark or die sama sama lol.
Christianity is up to you not by force
Many are called but few are chosen.
(02-06-2025, 10:15 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote: [ -> ]when you read the New Testament the subject of Islam and the person of Muhammad are never mentioned (though Jesus does warn generally about false prophets in Matthew 7:15-16 and 24:24-25).
No wonder the moslem claimed the bible is corrupted Bo song.
They have to say every book is corrupted...or else there will be no islam
Debate on the injil...the Islamic dilemma lives on
(02-06-2025, 10:30 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]Debate on the injil...the Islamic dilemma lives on
Just ask him if he knows that Christian and Jewish scholars have confirmed the corruption in the Bible.
(02-06-2025, 01:35 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]1. Majority read the Torah and interpret differently from Salaam.
2. You have no proof of what the jews were hiding.
If it was indeed written .the dilemma would not exist till nơ
3. There are cases where pastors converted to moslem because of their own interpretation or personal agendas
Seeing that you're just denying with not much points for me to address, we will move on.
Why is Christianity the fastest-dying religion?
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/202...religions/
(03-06-2025, 06:57 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]Seeing that you're just denying with not much points for me to address, we will move on.
Why is Christianity the fastest-dying religion?
You don't have much evidence to support your claim either... your argument is primarily based on a single Jewish individual who is afraid of death and unwilling to pay the jizya.