(05-08-2025, 11:25 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]God does not force anyone to pray in His language...
We can pray in English, Malay, Hindi to our God..God does not require us to understand Arabic to know Him
Only a false God will require you to pray in His language and take up Arabic to understand His words
We do supplicate in our language.
Five times prayer are conducted in Arabic to keep the unity.
(05-08-2025, 06:04 PM)Hope Wrote: [ -> ]If we say “ God is one “, is it a lie?
If we say “ Jesus was a prophet like all 80+ prophets mentioned in the bible “. Is it a lie?
If we say “ Jesus ate food like any other human “ is it a lie?
If we say “ Jesus earned money to buy food “, is it a lie?
It’s different from our Bible they are lies
No such gospel about Christ in the Bible
(05-08-2025, 11:25 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]God does not force anyone to pray in His language...
We can pray in English, Malay, Hindi to our God..God does not require us to understand Arabic to know Him
Only a false God will require you to pray in His language and take up Arabic to understand His words
We do supplicate in our language.
Five times prayer are conducted in Arabic to keep the unity.
Do you have unity among 45000 sects after praying in your own languages?
Can you enter churches belonging to other sects?
(05-08-2025, 11:33 AM)Lukongsimi Wrote: [ -> ]God understands Human languages
Even can pray in dialects
Jesus speaks Aramaic not Arabic
His angels speak English to me
English is not your language.Why do you pray in English?
When Jesus comes in your dreams, Does he speak in English or Aramaic?
(05-08-2025, 07:19 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]So you believe God at first was not a man, and later, he changed to a man.
That is another contradiction because Malachi 3 says God does not change.
Did Malachi said God cannot change to a man?
Change can be many meanings
Eg I said u cannot change means your character remains same
It does not mean u can change into God or a woman
Understand ?
(05-08-2025, 11:49 AM)Lukongsimi Wrote: [ -> ]Few like
kill Christians n Jews are not copied
Got to sin in order to be forgiven is not copied
About marriages is not copied
What was copied then?
From Protestant, Catholic or orthodox bible?
(05-08-2025, 07:32 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]Ok noted.
So, you disbelieving it doesn't make it false.
What about Malachi 3 which says God does not change but you believe God changed into a man?
God does not change His promise to the Israelites lah...do you read the whole context... You suka suka whack only!
(05-08-2025, 11:27 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]Jesus is with the Father since the beginning of time...
Why didn’t he stop Adam and Eve eating the apples?
Three persons couldn’t stop Adam eating the apples!
(05-08-2025, 07:55 PM)Hope Wrote: [ -> ]Why didn’t he stop Adam and Eve eating the apples?
Three persons couldn’t stop Adam eating the apples!
Why should Jesus get involve?
(05-08-2025, 07:53 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]God does not change His promise to the Israelites lah...do you read the whole context... You suka suka whack only!
It also means God does not change His words. When God says He is not a man, and then He suddenly changes to a man, that's a contradiction.
(05-08-2025, 12:35 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]Allah and Muhammad certainly do not say our book is full of lies...can Allah's words be changed? If it can be altered and corrupted then Allah is lying...because He can't protect His own revelation
Allah gave one book. You have 27 books.
Allah gave Jesus, not to unknown authors
Isn’t it corruption?
(05-08-2025, 08:01 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]It also means God does not change His words. When God says He is not a man, and then He suddenly changes to a man, that's a contradiction.
God is not a man capable of lying...but when God takes on human form, He does not lie because Jesus is fully God fully man..
That is why Jesus is sinless...can a God carry sins and take on flesh? That would be a contradiction isn't it
(05-08-2025, 12:38 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]Your Quran is lacking in details and lies...
Muhammad told us that Jesus said Ahmad can be found in the Torah and the gospel but after 2000+ years ..we have not found his name..
Why is Muhammad lying about Jesus?
Where does Quran say” Ahamed can be found in the Torah and the Gospel “?
(05-08-2025, 07:50 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote: [ -> ]Did Malachi said God cannot change to a man?
Change can be many meanings
Eg I said u cannot change means your character remains same
It does not mean u can change into God or a woman
Understand ?
In Malachi, God says He does not change. Period. In James 1, it also says God does not change like shifting shadows.
When God says that through repentance, our sins will be erased, that doesn't change. But you believe that rule changes. God suddenly needs blood to forgive sins.
So many things changed when Paul came along. How come?
(05-08-2025, 08:02 PM)Hope Wrote: [ -> ]Allah gave one book. You have 27 books.
Isn’t it corruption?
We only have one book and that is the Bible...Allah gave you 4 books..not only one..is that a corruption?
(05-08-2025, 08:05 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]God is not a man capable of lying...but when God takes on human form, He does not lie because Jesus is fully God fully man..
That is why Jesus is sinless...can a God carry sins and take on flesh? That would be a contradiction isn't it
So when God becomes a man, God will then be capable of lying.
(05-08-2025, 08:06 PM)Hope Wrote: [ -> ]Where does Quran say” Ahamed can be found in the Torah and the Gospel “?
Even Zakir Naid is going to Isaiah to find a word similar to Ahmad
˹They are˺ the ones who follow the Messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whose description they find in their Torah and the Gospel.1 He commands them to do good and forbids them from evil, permits for them what is lawful and forbids to them what is impure, and relieves them from their burdens and the shackles that bound them. ˹Only˺ those who believe in him, honour and support him, and follow the light sent down to him will be successful.
(05-08-2025, 08:09 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]So when God becomes a man, God will then be capable of lying.
God is never capable of lying even when He takes on flesh...you are capable of lying because you are not God and you are sinful
(05-08-2025, 08:06 PM)Hope Wrote: [ -> ]Where does Quran say” Ahamed can be found in the Torah and the Gospel “?
Sahih International: And [mention] when Jesus, the son of Mary, said, "O children of Israel, indeed I am the messenger of Allah to you confirming what came before me of the Torah and bringing good tidings of a messenger to come after me,
whose name is Ahmad."
(05-08-2025, 08:09 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]So when God becomes a man, God will then be capable of lying.
Pls do not ask me again that God cannot be a man any more...I will give you the explanation one last time
God is not a man":
This part of the verse emphasizes the fundamental difference between God and humanity. Humans are finite, subject to change, and can be influenced by various factors.
"That he should lie":
This highlights God's perfect truthfulness. Unlike humans, God is incapable of deception or falsehood.
"Nor a son of man, that he should repent":
This further emphasizes God's unchanging nature. Repentance implies a change of mind or course of action, something God does not experience.
"Has he said, and will he not do it?":
This rhetorical question reinforces the certainty of God's promises. If God has spoken something, it will undoubtedly come to pass.
"Or has he spoken, and will he not make it good?":
This reiterates the reliability of God's word, emphasizing that He always fulfills His promises.
In essence, the verse assures believers that God's word is trustworthy and that His promises will be kept. It's a foundational statement about God's character and integrity.
(05-08-2025, 08:16 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]God is never capable of lying even when He takes on flesh...you are capable of lying because you are not God and you are sinful
A man is capable of lying. So when your God turns into a man, he will be capable of lying. Your scriptures say so, not me.
(05-08-2025, 08:28 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]Pls do not ask me again that God cannot be a man any more...I will give you the explanation one last time
God is not a man":
This part of the verse emphasizes the fundamental difference between God and humanity. Humans are finite, subject to change, and can be influenced by various factors.
So the infinite God turns finite. That's what you believe.
(05-08-2025, 08:28 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]A man is capable of lying. So when your God turns into a man, he will be capable of lying. Your scriptures say so, not me.
A man without God dwelling in him is capable of lying..it is a straight forward answer..
(05-08-2025, 08:31 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]So the infinite God turns finite. That's what you believe.
God's capabilities are infinite..only you are telling God what He can't be...are you higher than Him?
(05-08-2025, 08:35 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]A man without God dwelling in him is capable of lying..it is a straight forward answer..
So you believe God dwells in a man. Ok. We'll keep that for another time.
(05-08-2025, 08:42 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]Is God capable of lying?
It is not in His nature to lie...
lying is seen as a contradiction of God's nature and divine attributes.
Is Allah capable of lying?
Yes ..He allows lying on 3 exception cases
(05-08-2025, 09:00 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]It is not in His nature to lie...
lying is seen as a contradiction of God's nature and divine attributes.
Is Allah capable of lying?
Yes ..He allows lying on 3 exception cases
Becoming a man is a contradiction of God's nature and divine attributes.
So why do you believe a man is God?
(05-08-2025, 09:17 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]Becoming a man is a contradiction of God's nature and divine attributes.
So why do you believe a man is God?
Say that to the Hindus..... Tell them you don't believe it, and they'll laugh at you, thinking it's unreasonable to impose limitations on God's powers.
(05-08-2025, 09:30 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]Say that to the Hindus..... Tell them you don't believe it, and they'll laugh at you, thinking it's unreasonable to impose limitations on God's powers.
You already said that God cannot do something that contradicts His divine attributes and nature.
So, why do you believe a man is God?