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(25-05-2025, 10:45 AM)Lukongsimi Wrote: [ -> ]You claim you knows better and now u claim u don’t read Bible ?How to know the whole truth if only cherry picks ?

When I said "most Muslims don't read the Bible", I don't mean me.

(25-05-2025, 10:30 AM)Lukongsimi Wrote: [ -> ]Koran came 600 years later
Why Moslem need Isaiah 42 to prove your muh was the chosen servant for kedar?
So still need the Bible for support
Without the Bible there will be no Koran

  Christians do not need to go to the Quran for verification of any stuff....Never! Why? 

Moslem will
Not debate against the Bible
If they did not find truth in it

Eg nobody interested to fight for a faked Rolex

(25-05-2025, 10:48 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]  Christians do not need to go to the Quran for verification of any stuff....Never! Why? 

If you are confused by the Bible, you need to go elsewhere for a clearer picture.

(25-05-2025, 10:51 AM)Lukongsimi Wrote: [ -> ]Moslem will
Not  debate against the Bible
If they did not find truth in it

Eg nobody interested to fight for a faked Rolex

There is truth and falsehood confused in the Bible. That is one reason why I bring the Bible in my discussion with you guys, to show you that there are falsehood in your Bible.

(25-05-2025, 10:45 AM)Lukongsimi Wrote: [ -> ]You claim you knows better and now u claim u don’t read Bible ?How to know the whole truth if only cherry picks ?

His questions are taken from anti Christ website...

(25-05-2025, 10:51 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]If you are confused by the Bible, you need to go elsewhere for a clearer picture.

Where can i get a clearer pic? The Quran?

Why the Moslem don’t debate other religion books ?
Answer is simple
They knew the Bible is true.
Aiming to be the best religion moslem got to confuse Christians  minds to convert them into their religion
They tried but mostly failed
As for Christianity people are converted because they encountered Jesus through dreams and visions
But for the Moslem they need to argue and debate until face green to convert  people ?

(25-05-2025, 10:59 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]Where can i get a clearer pic? The Quran?

Surely. Of course.

That is why most of the Christians who converted to Islam do so after studying the Quran.

(25-05-2025, 11:00 AM)Lukongsimi Wrote: [ -> ]Why the Moslem don’t debate other religion books ?
Answer is simple
They knew the Bible is true.
Aiming to be the best religion moslem got to confuse Christians  minds to convert them into their religion
They tried but mostly failed
As for Christianity people are converted because they encountered Jesus through dreams and visions
But for the Moslem they need to argue and debate until face green to convert  people ?

Even Christian Bible scholars say the Bible is corrupted. But you think you know better than your own scholars.

Why Moslem grows
Need to convert if marry their race
Birth rate growing fast
Some converted and hard to get out
But still lost to Christianity
As more and more moslems turning to follow Christ

(25-05-2025, 11:01 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]Surely. Of course.

That is why most of the Christians who converted to Islam do so after studying the Quran.

 The same can be said about the Moslems who converted to Christians

As for Christianity It’s Christ who is doing most of the work for salvation
We only help to spread the good news

(25-05-2025, 11:05 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ] The same can be said about the Moslems who converted to Christians

Your friend said Muslims who became Christians do so after having dreams and visions. So no, not the same.

(25-05-2025, 11:03 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]Even Christian Bible scholars say the Bible is corrupted. But you think you know better than your own scholars.

Many great Moslem teachers DO NOT believe the Bible has been corrupted and ACCEPT the authenticity of our PRESENT New Testament texts.

(25-05-2025, 11:06 AM)Lukongsimi Wrote: [ -> ]As for Christianity It’s Christ who is doing most of the work for salvation
We only help to spread the good news

God kill God. That's your salvation.

If that makes sense to you, go ahead and believe that.

(25-05-2025, 11:07 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]Your friend said Muslims who became Christians do so after having dreams and visions. So no, not the same.

Why not? Even Muhammad can have dream

(25-05-2025, 11:08 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]Many great Moslem teachers DO NOT believe the Bible has been corrupted and ACCEPT the authenticity of our PRESENT New Testament texts.

The Quran already said the Bible has been tampered with. Which Muslims will then say the Bible has not been corrupted?

Many don’t know the whole truth
Who and what their Prophet muh did! Before convert ?

(25-05-2025, 11:04 AM)Lukongsimi Wrote: [ -> ]Why Moslem grows
Need to convert if marry their race
Birth rate growing fast
Some converted and hard to get out
But still lost to Christianity
As more and more moslems turning to follow Christ

That is very true....many moslems are turning to Christ....because there is no compulsion in religion..

(25-05-2025, 11:09 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]Why not? Even Muhammad can have dream

You said Muslims converted to Christianity because of the same reason I gave for why Christians converted to Islam, after studying the Quran. That is not true.

(25-05-2025, 11:09 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]The Quran already said the Bible has been tampered with. Which Muslims will then say the Bible has not been corrupted?

Pls show me the verse.

(25-05-2025, 11:11 AM)Lukongsimi Wrote: [ -> ]Many don’t know the whole truth
Who and what their Prophet muh did! Before convert ?

You think you know?

Have you read any biography of the Prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم before? 

So please don't speak without knowledge.

If want to convert first have to find out who is the one they are following
Whether their book makes sense

(25-05-2025, 11:12 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]Pls show me the verse.

I've done that many times, for example, Quran 2:79.

And moreover, you don't need to go to the Quran for that. Just read the findings of your own scholars.

His stories were out everywhere in the internet spreads fast

Bef many don’t know who your prophet muh was?

(25-05-2025, 11:09 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]The Quran already said the Bible has been tampered with. Which Muslims will then say the Bible has not been corrupted?

1.Ali al-Tabari (died 855) accepted the Gospel texts

2.Amr al-Ghakhiz (869) " " " "

3.BUKHARI (810-870) " " " " (he gathered some of the earliest tradition of Islam quoted the Quran itself to support his belief in the text of the Bible Sura 3:72,78)

4.Al-Mas'udi (956) " " " "

5.Abu Ali Husain Bin Sina (1037)" " "

6.AL-GHAZZALI (1111) " " " " (probably the greatest Muslim scholar he lived after Ibn-Khazem but did not accept his teachings)

7.Ibn-Khaldun (1406) " " " " " " (he lived after Ibn-Khazem but did not accept his teachings but rather believed the earlier Islamic teachers.)

8.Sir Sayyid Ahmad Khan, founder of the Aligarh College "In the opinion of us Mohammedans it is not proved that corruption (tahrif-i-lafzi)...was practiced."

9.Fakhruddin Razi, on the authority of Ibn Abbas, a nephew of Muhammed, "The Jews and early Christians were suspected of altering the text of the Taurat and Injil; but in the opinion of eminent doctors and theologians it was not practicable thus to corrupt the text, because those Scriptures were generally known and widely circulated, having been handed down from generation to generation

(25-05-2025, 11:15 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]I've done that many times, for example, Quran 2:79.

And moreover, you don't need to go to the Quran for that. Just read the findings of your own scholars.

 Woe to those? Who are the those?
It never even mentions Christians... this is a warning from Allah. Are you certain you've read the Quran? You cannot simply attribute this to the Christians...that would be biased and irresponsible. Can I say that Malays commit all the crimes?

(25-05-2025, 11:16 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]1.Ali al-Tabari (died 855) accepted the Gospel texts

2.Amr al-Ghakhiz (869) " " " "

3.BUKHARI (810-870) " " " " (he gathered some of the earliest tradition of Islam quoted the Quran itself to support his belief in the text of the Bible Sura 3:72,78)

4.Al-Mas'udi (956) " " " "

5.Abu Ali Husain Bin Sina (1037)" " "

6.AL-GHAZZALI (1111) " " " " (probably the greatest Muslim scholar he lived after Ibn-Khazem but did not accept his teachings)

7.Ibn-Khaldun (1406) " " " " " " (he lived after Ibn-Khazem but did not accept his teachings but rather believed the earlier Islamic teachers.)

8.Sir Sayyid Ahmad Khan, founder of the Aligarh College "In the opinion of us Mohammedans it is not proved that corruption (tahrif-i-lafzi)...was practiced."

9.Fakhruddin Razi, on the authority of Ibn Abbas, a nephew of Muhammed, "The Jews and early Christians were suspected of altering the text of the Taurat and Injil; but in the opinion of eminent doctors and theologians it was not practicable thus to corrupt the text, because those Scriptures were generally known and widely circulated, having been handed down from generation to generation

Can you please provide the link here. Thank you.

(25-05-2025, 11:21 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ] Woe to those? Who are the those?
It never even mentions Christians... this is a warning from Allah. Are you certain you've read the Quran? You cannot simply attribute this to the Christians...that would be biased and irresponsible. Can I say that Malays commit all the crimes?

That verse 2:79, is referring to the children of Israel.