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(19-02-2025, 08:16 AM)Hope Wrote: [ -> ]Before and after Abbasid caliphate, Muslim were praying to whom?

Before and after Nicea meeting,Christian were praying to whom?

They pray to Yahweh...do you also pray Him?

we can recognize that Yahweh, the one God of Israel that Moses encountered at the burning bush (Exod 3:1–6), is in fact the same Triune God revealed as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit at the baptism of Jesus in the Jordan River (Luke 3:21–22).

Moslems pray to Allah or Muhammad?

(19-02-2025, 08:26 AM)Hope Wrote: [ -> ]What is funny in this verse 66:5?

Please read from 66:1 to 9 to understand the message in 66:5


“O Prophet! Why do you prohibit ˹yourself˺ from what Allah has made lawful to you, seeking to please your wives? And Allah is All-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

Allah has already ordained for you ˹believers˺ the way to absolve yourselves from your oaths.For Allah is your Guardian. And He is the All-Knowing, All-Wise.

˹Remember˺ when the Prophet had ˹once˺ confided something to one of his wives, then when she disclosed it ˹to another wife˺ and Allah made it known to him, he presented ˹to her˺ part of what was disclosed and overlooked a part. So when he informed her of it, she exclaimed, “Who told you this?” He replied, “I was informed by the All-Knowing, All-Aware.”

It will be better˺ if you ˹wives˺ both turn to Allah in repentance, for your hearts have certainly faltered. But if you ˹continue to˺ collaborate against him, then ˹know that˺ Allah Himself is his Guardian. And Gabriel, the righteous believers, and the angels are ˹all˺ his supporters as well.

Perhaps, if he were to divorce you ˹all˺, his Lord would replace you with better wives who are submissive ˹to Allah˺, faithful ˹to Him˺, devout, repentant, dedicated to worship and fasting—previously married or virgins.

O believers! Protect yourselves and your families from a Fire whose fuel is people and stones, overseen by formidable and severe angels, who never disobey whatever Allah orders—always doing as commanded.

˹The deniers will then be told,˺ “O disbelievers! Make no excuses this Day! You are only rewarded for what you used to do.”

O believers! Turn to Allah in sincere repentance, so your Lord may absolve you of your sins and admit you into Gardens, under which rivers flow, on the Day Allah will not disgrace the Prophet or the believers with him. Their light will shine ahead of them and on their right. They will say, “Our Lord! Perfect our light for us, and forgive us. ˹For˺ You are truly Most Capable of everything.”

O Prophet! Struggle against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be firm with them. Hell will be their home. What an evil destination!”

Quran 66:1-9

This whole story is about maria the Copt.. your prophet spent 1 month with her and his wives were so unhappy with him..so he came up with the verses to protect himself..this is definitely not from allah ? He has more important things to do.it is not befitting of Him to poke his nose into others affairs .

(19-02-2025, 08:29 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]They pray to Yahweh...do you also pray Him?

we can recognize that Yahweh, the one God of Israel that Moses encountered at the burning bush (Exod 3:1–6), is in fact the same Triune God revealed as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit at the baptism of Jesus in the Jordan River (Luke 3:21–22).

Moslems pray to Allah or Muhammad?

Who is Luke? Disciple of Jesus?
Why do you follow exodus , The book of Jews?
Where is the teaching from the Gospel of Jesus?


Muslim pray to Allah.I have pasted Quran chapter 1, mostly recited chapter around the globe, at least 50 billions times daily.

In verse 5-“You ˹alone˺ we worship and You ˹alone˺ we ask for help.



Quran chapter 1.

“In the Name of Allah—the Most Compassionate, Most Merciful.

All praise is for Allah—Lord of all worlds,

the Most Compassionate, Most Merciful,

Master of the Day of Judgment.

You ˹alone˺ we worship and You ˹alone˺ we ask for help.


Guide us along the Straight Path,

the Path of those You have blessed—not those You are displeased with, or those who are astray.”

(19-02-2025, 07:58 AM)IHope Wrote: [ -> ]Show me one verse from Quran if Muslim get 72 virgins,I will reward you S$ 10000.

Show me one narration from Hadith if every Muslim who enters heaven get 72 virgins, I will reward you another S$10000.

Show me one verse from Quran or a narration from Hadit, If we get barbecue in heaven.

Barbecue means if u find heaven boring n prefers hell fire 

In Islam 72 is the number of beautiful wives that are promised to martyrs in paradise, according to Hadith (sayings of Muhammad).

(19-02-2025, 08:01 AM)Hope Wrote: [ -> ]Is this your answer?

How do you convince a foodie who wants to become a Christian?😳

Oh I see you are a foodie 
In hell there is no single drop of water even worse than
In heaven still got food u still complain ?
How about your paradise got food?
The Israelis complained no meat and were killed in the desert

(19-02-2025, 07:54 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]That's very loving of you, very Christian.

U pray 5 times fast and come here attack Christians very loving moslems

(19-02-2025, 07:53 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]I already told you you're gullible, easily fooled by your friend pinky. He is a known liar. There is no such thing as 2 in 1 in Islam. We have a purely monotheistic faith. 

Christian scholars have agreed that like 1 John 5:7, that verse in Matthew 28 is also a forgery. I didn't say that. Your Christian scholars decided upon that.  How did they come to that conclusion? Would you be interested to know?

Also, that verse in Matthew 28 doesn't define the Trinity. The core definition of the Trinity is "these 3 are 1" and we don't see that in Matthew 28.

So there, you won't be able to find a single verse in the Gospels where Jesus taught the idea of God being a Trinity.

Don’t lie !!!

The Bible is the truth !!

(19-02-2025, 08:45 AM)Hope Wrote: [ -> ]Who is Luke? Disciple of Jesus?
Why do you follow exodus , The book of Jews?
Where is the teaching from the Gospel of Jesus?


Muslim pray to Allah.I have pasted Quran chapter 1, mostly recited chapter around the globe, at least 50 billions times daily.

In verse 5-“You ˹alone˺ we worship and You ˹alone˺ we ask for help.



Quran chapter 1.

“In the Name of Allah—the Most Compassionate, Most Merciful.

All praise is for Allah—Lord of all worlds,

the Most Compassionate, Most Merciful,

Master of the Day of Judgment.

You ˹alone˺ we worship and You ˹alone˺ we ask for help.


Guide us along the Straight Path,

the Path of those You have blessed—not those You are displeased with, or those who are astray.”

The Gospel of Jesus can be found in the NT..
I like your Quran chapter 1..This should be the original shahada and not the current corrupted one that have Muhammad's name in it

You see the second line? " All praise is for Allah?" Why are you disobeying by praising and acknowledging Muhammad?

Quran chapter 1.

“In the Name of Allah—the Most Compassionate, Most Merciful.

All praise is for Allah—Lord of all worlds,

the Most Compassionate, Most Merciful,

Master of the Day of Judgment.

You ˹alone˺ we worship and You ˹alone˺ we ask for help.

(19-02-2025, 09:14 AM)Lukongsimi Wrote: [ -> ]Don’t lie !!!

The Bible is the truth !!

If he wants to use the Christian scholars as a guide to John and Matthew...then maybe he can also agree with the crucifixion of Jesus which the Christian scholars agree and confirm without a doubt...  that would prove his Quran false! 

(19-02-2025, 09:23 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]The Gospel of Jesus can be found in the NT..
I like your Quran chapter 1..This should be the original shahada and not the current corrupted one that have Muhammad's name in it

You see the second line? " All praise is for Allah?" Why are you disobeying by praising and acknowledging Muhammad?

Quran chapter 1.

“In the Name of Allah—the Most Compassionate, Most Merciful.

All praise is for Allah—Lord of all worlds,

the Most Compassionate, Most Merciful,

Master of the Day of Judgment.

You ˹alone˺ we worship and You ˹alone˺ we ask for help.

You didn’t mention about Luke.

Quran chapter 1 has two more verses.



Quran chapter 1.

“In the Name of Allah—the Most Compassionate, Most Merciful.

All praise is for Allah—Lord of all worlds,

the Most Compassionate, Most Merciful,

Master of the Day of Judgment.

You ˹alone˺ we worship and You ˹alone˺ we ask for help.

Guide us along the Straight Path,

the Path of those You have blessed—not those You are displeased with, or those who are astray.”

(19-02-2025, 09:28 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]If he wants to use the Christian scholars as a guide to John and Matthew...then maybe he can also agree with the crucifixion of Jesus which the Christian scholars agree and confirm without a doubt...  that would prove his Quran false! 

Quran is from Allah.

Allah say he is all seeing.

So, the Story in Quran should be accurate .

(19-02-2025, 09:14 AM)Lukongsimi Wrote: [ -> ]Don’t lie !!!

The Bible is the truth !!

There are two bibles.

-Old Testament 

-New Testament 

Which is true?

(19-02-2025, 08:26 AM)Hope Wrote: [ -> ]What is funny in this verse 66:5?

Please read from 66:1 to 9 to understand the message in 66:5


“O Prophet! Why do you prohibit ˹yourself˺ from what Allah has made lawful to you, seeking to please your wives? And Allah is All-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

Allah has already ordained for you ˹believers˺ the way to absolve yourselves from your oaths.For Allah is your Guardian. And He is the All-Knowing, All-Wise.

˹Remember˺ when the Prophet had ˹once˺ confided something to one of his wives, then when she disclosed it ˹to another wife˺ and Allah made it known to him, he presented ˹to her˺ part of what was disclosed and overlooked a part. So when he informed her of it, she exclaimed, “Who told you this?” He replied, “I was informed by the All-Knowing, All-Aware.”

It will be better˺ if you ˹wives˺ both turn to Allah in repentance, for your hearts have certainly faltered. But if you ˹continue to˺ collaborate against him, then ˹know that˺ Allah Himself is his Guardian. And Gabriel, the righteous believers, and the angels are ˹all˺ his supporters as well.

Perhaps, if he were to divorce you ˹all˺, his Lord would replace you with better wives who are submissive ˹to Allah˺, faithful ˹to Him˺, devout, repentant, dedicated to worship and fasting—previously married or virgins.

O believers! Protect yourselves and your families from a Fire whose fuel is people and stones, overseen by formidable and severe angels, who never disobey whatever Allah orders—always doing as commanded.

˹The deniers will then be told,˺ “O disbelievers! Make no excuses this Day! You are only rewarded for what you used to do.”

O believers! Turn to Allah in sincere repentance, so your Lord may absolve you of your sins and admit you into Gardens, under which rivers flow, on the Day Allah will not disgrace the Prophet or the believers with him. Their light will shine ahead of them and on their right. They will say, “Our Lord! Perfect our light for us, and forgive us. ˹For˺ You are truly Most Capable of everything.”

O Prophet! Struggle against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be firm with them. Hell will be their home. What an evil destination!”

Quran 66:1-9

Your buddy says that I'm lying but I will say that he is just a fake moslem..

prophet muhammad saw was caught having sex with his concubine maria, inside his wife hafsa's house.

(O Prophet! Why do you prohibit what God has made lawful for you, in terms of your Coptic handmaiden Māriya"— when he lay with her in the house of Hafsa, who had been away, but who upon returning [and finding out] became upset by the fact that this had taken place in her own house and on her own bed — by saying, ‘She is unlawful for me!’, seeking, by making her unlawful [for you], to please your wives? And God is Forgiving, Merciful, having forgiven you this prohibition")

Surah 66 (at-tahrim) verse 1-3

This 66:1-5 is all about the incident involving, Muhammad, Maria and his wives...  how did it end up as God's revelation..,what the joke!

(19-02-2025, 09:37 AM)Hope Wrote: [ -> ]There are two bibles.

-Old Testament 

-New Testament 

Which is true?

They were true..,would Allah ask you to believe in a fake book? If so..then Islam is not true

(19-02-2025, 09:35 AM)Hope Wrote: [ -> ]Quran is from Allah.

Allah say he is all seeing.

So, the Story in Quran should be accurate .

No..Quran is from an entity claiming to be angel Gabriel! 
Show me proof that Allah taught Muhammad to recite or if Allah sent down a tablet?

(19-02-2025, 08:34 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]This whole story is about maria the Copt.. your prophet spent 1 month with her and his wives were so unhappy with him..so he came up with the verses to protect himself..this is definitely not from allah ? He has more important things to do.it is not befitting of Him to poke his nose into others affairs .

He didn’t come up with anything as you have mentioned.
Do you think people were blind to accept this verses?

(19-02-2025, 08:53 AM)Lukongsimi Wrote: [ -> ]Barbecue means if u find heaven boring n prefers hell fire 

In Islam 72 is the number of beautiful wives that are promised to martyrs in paradise, according to Hadith (sayings of Muhammad).

So not every Muslim get 72 virgins as you had been claiming.

(19-02-2025, 11:04 AM)Hope Wrote: [ -> ]He didn’t come up with anything as you have mentioned.
Do you think people were blind to accept this verses?

(19-02-2025, 11:06 AM)Hope Wrote: [ -> ]So not every Muslim get 72 virgins as you had been claiming.

Men will receive 72 virgins in the hadith corpus. There is some debate on the meaning of the Quranic passages according to Islamic jurisprudence. Ahmed Ali's translated version does not even mention the 70 (the number may vary) virgins that are found in Shakir's translated version

Now virgins shortage...maybe get lesser

(19-02-2025, 09:28 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]If he wants to use the Christian scholars as a guide to John and Matthew...then maybe he can also agree with the crucifixion of Jesus which the Christian scholars agree and confirm without a doubt...  that would prove his Quran false! 

U continue entertaining them
I don’t wish to water a tree that doesn’t bear fruits..waste time. 

In John 15:2 (AMP), Jesus says, Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away; and every branch that continues to bear fruit, He [repeatedly] prunes, so that it will bear more fruit [even richer and finer fruit]. Pruning is vitally important for us to grow in our walk with God.😄

(19-02-2025, 09:04 AM)Lukongsimi Wrote: [ -> ]Oh I see you are a foodie 
In hell there is no single drop of water even worse than
In heaven still got food u still complain ?
How about your paradise got food?
The Israelis complained no meat and were killed in the desert

Quran and Hadith mentioned - 

in Heaven 

-7 levels of heavens
-Houses are built on rivers 
-There are cushions to lay down 
- Have companions and some of your friends and relatives 
-People wear brocades, ornaments 
-Any meats, fruit, meals , drinks you desire are available 
-People always greet with salam (peace be unto you)
-No idle talk, back biting, jealousy, killing, promiscuity , sickness, death , Aging, procreation 
-No need to work , pray, fast, give charity 
-A day is longer than our 24 hrs
-No one defecate

In Hell

-7 levels 
-No houses 
-No shades
-Only fire ,smoke blowing and darkness 
-When the skin is roasted another new skin is replaced
-Scalding water and pus to drink 
-Thorny plants to eat 
-Molten clothes 
-No escape, except the some

(19-02-2025, 09:41 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]Your buddy says that I'm lying but I will say that he is just a fake moslem..

prophet muhammad saw was caught having sex with his concubine maria, inside his wife hafsa's house.

(O Prophet! Why do you prohibit what God has made lawful for you, in terms of your Coptic handmaiden Māriya"— when he lay with her in the house of Hafsa, who had been away, but who upon returning [and finding out] became upset by the fact that this had taken place in her own house and on her own bed — by saying, ‘She is unlawful for me!’, seeking, by making her unlawful [for you], to please your wives? And God is Forgiving, Merciful, having forgiven you this prohibition")

Surah 66 (at-tahrim) verse 1-3

This 66:1-5 is all about the incident involving, Muhammad, Maria and his wives...  how did it end up as God's revelation..,what the joke!

Where has it mentioned any sexual activity?

(19-02-2025, 09:43 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]They were true..,would Allah ask you to believe in a fake book? If so..then Islam is not true

Both can’t be true.

Old Testament belong to Jews.
They Never acknowledged Jesus as a prophet ,son of God or God
Old Testament didn’t mention that Yahweh wanted blood sacrifice to cleanse human’s Sins 

In New Testament , Christian claims Jesus is the way. If so why do you need to follow the Old Testament (Moses and other prophets)?

Quran no where mentioned old testament and New Testament are true.The Quran mentioned Torah(given to Moses in his mother tongue) Injeel ( given to Jesus in his mother tongue)  are from Allah. Do you have Torah and Injeel in original languages?

(19-02-2025, 09:45 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]No..Quran is from an entity claiming to be angel Gabriel! 
Show me proof that Allah taught Muhammad to recite or if Allah sent down a tablet?

Quran and Hadith mentioned it is from Allah through Gabriel, 6236 verses, during 23 years.

As per Quran Gabriel is the holy sprit.

Christian believe Holy sprit is dwelling in them😳
How can that be?

(19-02-2025, 11:18 AM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]Men will receive 72 virgins in the hadith corpus. There is some debate on the meaning of the Quranic passages according to Islamic jurisprudence. Ahmed Ali's translated version does not even mention the 70 (the number may vary) virgins that are found in Shakir's translated version

Now virgins shortage...maybe get lesser

Which Quran verse and Hadith mentioned?

(19-02-2025, 12:18 PM)Hope Wrote: [ -> ]Which Quran verse and Hadith mentioned?

Some said 72, some 100, 500, 800 virgins given to each male in paradise... so how many according to you?

https://islamqa.info/en/answers/257509/n...-in-jannah

(19-02-2025, 12:16 PM)Hope Wrote: [ -> ]Quran and Hadith mentioned it is from Allah through Gabriel, 6236 verses, during 23 years.

As per Quran Gabriel is the holy sprit.

Christian believe Holy sprit is dwelling in them😳
How can that be

So we can establish the fact that it was directly from an entity claiming to be Gabriel..not from God!

Galatians 1:8: "But even if we or an angel from heaven should proclaim to you a gospel contrary to what we proclaimed to you, let that one be accursed!"

(19-02-2025, 12:40 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]So we can establish the fact that it was directly from an entity claiming to be Gabriel..not from God!

Galatians 1:8: "But even if we or an angel from heaven should proclaim to you a gospel contrary to what we proclaimed to you, let that one be accursed!"

Paul warned the Galatian Christians about false gospel lah!

(19-02-2025, 09:14 AM)Lukongsimi Wrote: [ -> ]Don’t lie !!!

The Bible is the truth !!

I already told you. It wasn't me who said the verse in Matt 28 is a later addition. I have no authority to say such things. 

Is it my fault that the NT scholars opined that about Matt 28?

(19-02-2025, 01:51 PM)cheekopekman Wrote: [ -> ]Paul warned the Galatian Christians about false gospel lah!

Whose gospel exactly did Paul warn the Galatian Christians? What would you say if you knew it was the gospel from Peter?