SG Talk

A quiet day here and thunder rumbling from far distance 
The 2 moslems had failed to destroy our faith 😊

Storm over the Kaaba 

https://youtu.be/c2CgYdmGkwM?si=ppKxX4YV8xTcs1BN

Holy fire

https://youtu.be/33uxXRi5kzM?si=JVmw4Ee_MBeQdlSs

(19-04-2025, 02:12 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote: [ -> ]A quiet day here and thunder rumbling from far distance 
The 2 moslems had failed to destroy our faith 😊

How to destroy? We need an Imam to challenge our faith...these 2 moslems..I think can balek rumah..their Islamic knowledge are just too weak....

One thing that they have indeed learn is that islamic hell is temporary, they all go to paradise eventually

Japan quake 

https://youtu.be/259Vl5ZeZrM?si=ja6VNHWbVyn8qD_j

(19-04-2025, 04:58 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]How to destroy? We need an Imam to challenge our faith...these 2 moslems..I think can balek rumah..their Islamic knowledge are just too weak....

One thing that they have indeed learn is that islamic hell is temporary, they all go to paradise eventually

If have Imam here most probably  converted to Christianity Liao.
😄

https://youtu.be/7kEMP3KNPe4?si=JjzxebYBHSpyPcCV
Devoted Muslim until he went to Mecca.

(19-04-2025, 02:12 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote: [ -> ]A quiet day here and thunder rumbling from far distance 
The 2 moslems had failed to destroy our faith 😊

"For eighteen centuries every engine of destruction that human science, philosophy, wit, reasoning or brutality could bring to bear against a Book has been brought to bear against that Book to stamp it out of the world, but it has a mightier hold on the world today than ever before. If that were man's book it would have been annihilated and forgotten hundreds of years ago." - RA Torrey, author and dean of the Bible Institute of LA.

Jesus says in Luke 21:28, "Look up. Things are going to get better. Your redemption draws near." As God's people brimming with confidence, we do feel obligated to present to the world the picture of confident assurance. This will impress others and make them want to know what we have that they don't have - that's having the composure to face pressures and crises with calmness and confidence.

We can speak with quiet assurance that "The glass is half-full," which means so much of what God has foretold in the Bible has already come to pass that it gives us a firm assurance the rest is also coming to fruition. The glass is on its way to being filled to the brim, not emptied.

All these events and trends confirm the reliability of the Scripture. If they didn't happen, we would have to say the Bible is an unreliable book. But because they're happening - though there are many evils and forces against us - they confirm the Bible is a true, reliable, up-to-date Book.

"He is not here; he has risen!" (Luke 24:6 NIV) Happy Easter lah! An angel proclaimed the risen Lord lah!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oN77HjfAc8k

(20-04-2025, 12:49 AM)S I M T A N Wrote: [ -> ]"For eighteen centuries every engine of destruction that human science, philosophy, wit, reasoning or brutality could bring to bear against a Book has been brought to bear against that Book to stamp it out of the world, but it has a mightier hold on the world today than ever before. If that were man's book it would have been annihilated and forgotten hundreds of years ago." - RA Torrey, author and dean of the Bible Institute of LA.

Jesus says in Luke 21:28, "Look up. Things are going to get better. Your redemption draws near." As God's people brimming with confidence, we do feel obligated to present to the world the picture of confident assurance. This will impress others and make them want to know what we have that they don't have - that's having the composure to face pressures and crises with calmness and confidence.

We can speak with quiet assurance that "The glass is half-full," which means so much of what God has foretold in the Bible has already come to pass that it gives us a firm assurance the rest is also coming to fruition. The glass is on its way to being filled to the brim, not emptied.

All these events and trends confirm the reliability of the Scripture. If they didn't happen, we would have to say the Bible is an unreliable book. But because they're happening - though there are many evils and forces against us - they confirm the Bible is a true, reliable, up-to-date Book.

The Bible you carry is a voluminous collection of books. One small section, just a few verses in one of the books, made the other 80% almost redundant. Yes, the Sola Fide again, which makes a huge part of the Bible on the law redundant. 

There is this one law in the Bible where the punishment for a rapist is that he must pay the father of the girl he raped some money, and he must marry the girl he raped. And he cannot divorce her. That law is outdated today. So you're wrong to say the Bible is an up-to-date Book.

You also said the book is reliable. Tell me, how do you rely on the Bible? In a family dispute over inheritance, do you rely on the Bible? In bringing up children, do you rely on the Bible?

This fellow talks silly...some laws were given in a specific historical and cultural context for the ancient Israelites.... and many of these laws are not applicable to modern society....it is not a matter of up to date, these outdated laws are only for references only...

Now if raped the females  u got to be caned n jail

(20-04-2025, 03:08 PM)Lukongsimi Wrote: [ -> ]Now if raped the females  u got to be caned n jail

One fellow saying Jesus did not exist..

https://sgtalk.net/Thread-Rui-En-Time-fo...-the-light

(20-04-2025, 04:36 PM)pinkpanther Wrote: [ -> ]One fellow saying Jesus did not exist..

https://sgtalk.net/Thread-Rui-En-Time-fo...-the-light

Good for her. 
😊

The Bible or The Quran : Which has the truth?

https://youtube.com/shorts/syvzhvvQBvA?s...PiXyT-XGG3

Powerful storm in Thailand strikes 
https://youtu.be/xgN_NfluFW0?si=CEMTegRQgl5ibv_m

(20-04-2025, 11:46 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]The Bible you carry is a voluminous collection of books. One small section, just a few verses in one of the books, made the other 80% almost redundant. Yes, the Sola Fide again, which makes a huge part of the Bible on the law redundant. 

There is this one law in the Bible where the punishment for a rapist is that he must pay the father of the girl he raped some money, and he must marry the girl he raped. And he cannot divorce her. That law is outdated today. So you're wrong to say the Bible is an up-to-date Book.

You also said the book is reliable. Tell me, how do you rely on the Bible? In a family dispute over inheritance, do you rely on the Bible? In bringing up children, do you rely on the Bible?

You're putting a different slant on the law-gospel argument. By saying a large chunk of the laws has already been made redundant by Sola Fide, you're at it again - trying as usual to twist the doctrine of justification by faith to support your Islamic belief that obedience to God's moral law is essential to salvation. In doing so, you're downplaying the spiritual rebirth of regeneration (2 Cor 5:17) while discounting the moral effects of the believer's new heart (Ezek 36:26-27), and making salvation by works hinge on the believer's own efforts.

When the NT refers to the law, it refers to the 613 laws, which make up the totality of the Mosaic Covenant. We see that the law of Moses includes stoning those that are caught in adultery. The punishment for stoning is not in the Ten Commandments. In John 7:23 Jesus includes circumcision as part of fulfilling the "Law of Moses" which also includes the sacrificial system. Heb chapters 7-10 refer to the law and the sacrificial rites as one entity of the Mosaic Covenant.

When Christ talks about the law in Matt 5:17, He explains the application to include laws of the Decalogue as well as laws that aren't in the Decalogue, such as divorce, keeping an oath, retaliation, and loving our enemies. In Matt 23:23, Christ includes tithing with the law. Christ also refers to "heavier, weightier matters of the law such as justice, mercy, and faithfulness. When Paul speaks of the law in the book of Rom, he refers to circumcision in some areas and laws specific to the Decalogue in others. He makes no distinction of "higher law which continues" and "law which passes away." Paul refers to all the Law of Moses as singular, one law, not a law with many parts.

Now, are we able to keep or fulfill the law of God? Lets' revisit Jesus's encounter with the rich young ruler in Luke 18:18. The young ruler approaches Jesus with a spirit of enthusiasm asking, "Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?" Jesus says to the youth, "You know the commandments: Do not commit adultery, kill, steal, bear false witness; always honor your father and mother."

The young man, unaware of the full identity of Christ, replied, "All these have I observed from my youth." He actually believed he'd kept the moral law of God throughout his entire life. He must have thought he's in pretty good shape to inherit eternal life.

In the sermon on the Mount, Jesus elaborated the broader implications of the moral law of God. The young chap probably didn't realize that if he'd lusted after a woman he'd violated the broader dimensions of the prohibition against adultery. He probably didn't realize that if he hated his brother, he'd violated the broader application of the prohibition against murder. With Christ, anger in the heart is murder. If we're to prescribe obedience to the law fully, we need to consider obedience to carrying out punishment to those who disobey.

The young man had preserved himself from the more crass violations of the law and thought his record was clean. In doing so, he'd adjusted the demands of the law downward. Jesus's response was subtle. He didn't argue with the man and said, "You haven't kept these commandments at all." Instead, Jesus said to him, "One thing you still lack. Sell all that you've and distribute to the poor.. come, follow me." Christ changed the whole conversation from goodness and law to money. The issue wasn't really about money but goodness.

Apparently Jesus started with the first commandment, "Thou shalt have no other gods before Me," and put the ruler to the test. He couldn't even pass the test on the first commandment for we read, "But when he heard this he became sad, for he was very rich." Obviously, the man wanted eternal life but he didn't want to be religious. He didn't want to depend on grace to gain that inheritance.

Why is it necessary for grace to be central to the Christian life? The answer is very simple: we're morally incapable of earning our way into the Kingdom of God. We're not good enough to merit an eternal relationship with God. By the grace of God, we're no longer under the curse of the law. Christ has become a curse for us. Attempts to sanctify by the observance of the law is forbidden in the New Covenant since it diminishes the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross.

When u saw the Light u have to deny yourself pick up the cross n follow the Light
Never asked do u know who I M ?
never be greater than God
God’s ways are higher than ours 
Fear of the Lord is beginning of wisdom

(21-04-2025, 01:40 AM)S I M T A N Wrote: [ -> ]You're putting a different slant on the law-gospel argument. By saying a large chunk of the laws has already been made redundant by Sola Fide, you're at it again - trying as usual to twist the doctrine of justification by faith to support your Islamic belief that obedience to God's moral law is essential to salvation. In doing so, you're downplaying the spiritual rebirth of regeneration (2 Cor 5:17) while discounting the moral effects of the believer's new heart (Ezek 36:26-27), and making salvation by works hinge on the believer's own efforts.

When the NT refers to the law, it refers to the 613 laws, which make up the totality of the Mosaic Covenant. We see that the law of Moses includes stoning those that are caught in adultery. The punishment for stoning is not in the Ten Commandments. In John 7:23 Jesus includes circumcision as part of fulfilling the "Law of Moses" which also includes the sacrificial system. Heb chapters 7-10 refer to the law and the sacrificial rites as one entity of the Mosaic Covenant.

When Christ talks about the law in Matt 5:17, He explains the application to include laws of the Decalogue as well as laws that aren't in the Decalogue, such as divorce, keeping an oath, retaliation, and loving our enemies. In Matt 23:23, Christ includes tithing with the law. Christ also refers to "heavier, weightier matters of the law such as justice, mercy, and faithfulness. When Paul speaks of the law in the book of Rom, he refers to circumcision in some areas and laws specific to the Decalogue in others. He makes no distinction of "higher law which continues" and "law which passes away." Paul refers to all the Law of Moses as singular, one law, not a law with many parts.

Now, are we able to keep or fulfill the law of God? Lets' revisit Jesus's encounter with the rich young ruler in Luke 18:18. The young ruler approaches Jesus with a spirit of enthusiasm asking, "Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?" Jesus says to the youth, "You know the commandments: Do not commit adultery, kill, steal, bear false witness; always honor your father and mother."

The young man, unaware of the full identity of Christ, replied, "All these have I observed from my youth." He actually believed he'd kept the moral law of God throughout his entire life. He must have thought he's in pretty good shape to inherit eternal life.

In the sermon on the Mount, Jesus elaborated the broader implications of the moral law of God. The young chap probably didn't realize that if he'd lusted after a woman he'd violated the broader dimensions of the prohibition against adultery. He probably didn't realize that if he hated his brother, he'd violated the broader application of the prohibition against murder. With Christ, anger in the heart is murder. If we're to prescribe obedience to the law fully, we need to consider obedience to carrying out punishment to those who disobey.

The young man had preserved himself from the more crass violations of the law and thought his record was clean. In doing so, he'd adjusted the demands of the law downward. Jesus's response was subtle. He didn't argue with the man and said, "You haven't kept these commandments at all." Instead, Jesus said to him, "One thing you still lack. Sell all that you've and distribute to the poor.. come, follow me." Christ changed the whole conversation from goodness and law to money. The issue wasn't really about money but goodness.

Apparently Jesus started with the first commandment, "Thou shalt have no other gods before Me," and put the ruler to the test. He couldn't even pass the test on the first commandment for we read, "But when he heard this he became sad, for he was very rich." Obviously, the man wanted eternal life but he didn't want to be religious. He didn't want to depend on grace to gain that inheritance.

Why is it necessary for grace to be central to the Christian life? The answer is very simple: we're morally incapable of earning our way into the Kingdom of God. We're not good enough to merit an eternal relationship with God. By the grace of God, we're no longer under the curse of the law. Christ has become a curse for us. Attempts to sanctify by the observance of the law is forbidden in the New Covenant since it diminishes the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross.

Your argument is based on the premise that I reject the notion of grace from God as the main factor in our salvation. That is a false premise. I accept that God's grace is the main factor in our salvation. Our Prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم already told us that none of us will enter Paradise except by the grace of God. Ergo, we both agree on the grace factor. The question is: how do we get on God's gracious side?

Hello Thambi, don misrepresent the Quran... Muhammad never taught Grace...He taught Rahmah which is mercy....Grace was never in use in the Quran

No Bidah dey!

If Muhammad taught Grace... then we have more reasons to believe he was indeed a true Christian

(16-04-2025, 09:30 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]When you say that, you are also saying that the many people who were not spared from these natural disasters were not under God's grace.

Cannot say like that pengyu.

My friend Ali, this thread started since Christmas last year and yesterday was Easter Sunday lah!  You still refused to believe and accept Jesus Christ as your Saviour and the Lord of your life lah! Amazing Grace lah!

(21-04-2025, 02:21 PM)cheekopekman Wrote: [ -> ]My friend Ali, this thread started since Christmas last year and yesterday was Easter Sunday lah!  You still refused to believe and accept Jesus Christ as your Saviour and the Lord of your life lah! Amazing Grace lah!

The Father said, " I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me. ". I believe that 100%. Only the Father ever made such a statement. Jesus never, the Holy Spirit never.

Jesus said the Father, referring to the almighty God, is the only true God. I believe that.

I don't believe what you're asking me to believe because the Trinity contradicts the words of the Father and the words of the messenger Jesus.

(21-04-2025, 02:52 PM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]The Father said, " I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me. ". I believe that 100%. Only the Father ever made such a statement. Jesus never, the Holy Spirit never.

Jesus said the Father, referring to the almighty God, is the only true God. I believe that.

I don't believe what you're asking me to believe because the Trinity contradicts the words of the Father and the words of the messenger Jesus.

Thank you for your reply lah!  I can't force you lah! But I hope 1 day you will become a Christian lah!

(21-04-2025, 03:47 PM)cheekopekman Wrote: [ -> ]Thank you for your reply lah!  I can't force you lah! But I hope 1 day you will become a Christian lah!

He also hope to know that you potong after your mission trip lah 

John 17:1-5

17 After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed:

“Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. 2 For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. 3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. 4 I have brought you glory on earth by finishing the work you gave me to do. 5 And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began

Right after speaking of the “only true God” in John 17: 3, Jesus spoke of the glory that He had with God “before the world began”.

We cannot suka suka pick and choose verses

(21-04-2025, 11:45 AM)Ali Imran Wrote: [ -> ]Your argument is based on the premise that I reject the notion of grace from God as the main factor in our salvation. That is a false premise. I accept that God's grace is the main factor in our salvation. Our Prophet صلي الله عليه وسلم already told us that none of us will enter Paradise except by the grace of God. Ergo, we both agree on the grace factor. The question is: how do we get on God's gracious side?

The term "grace" is loosely used by many people. You can talk a good game about the grace of forgiveness, but we all know your kind of grace isn't the sort specific to our faith, which has connotations of spiritual rebirth. Let me go into detail about why Christianity places so emphasis on grace.

The NT describes us as being "flesh" by nature. This condition of flesh involves such a moral weakness that we can't do what God requires. If we can't do what God requires, how can God possibly hold us responsible and accountable to a law we can't keep? Bear in mind the law requires perfection, yet none of us is perfect. So how can God demand perfection from imperfect creatures? Jonathan Edwards, a noted theologian, provides a helpful distinction between natural and moral ability:

"Natural ability means the necessary power or equipment to perform a task. For a being to do moral works, he must have moral powers. He must have a will and a mind. A creature without a will cannot make moral decisions while a creature without a mind cannot respond with understanding to moral concerns.

If God commanded us to fly, we would not be able to comply, not on moral grounds but on natural grounds. We lack the ability to fly, not because we're sinners but because God hasn't provided us with wings. Birds have the natural ability to fly but human beings do not. Man can only fly by artificial and mechanical means.

The Bible says there's a sense in which man cannot do what he is required to do. This is a "moral inability." The NT says man cannot keep the law of God, and it's not because he lacks a will or a mind and cannot understand what God requires, but because man doesn't have a proper disposition toward God, being in a state of enmity and estrangement from God. Man has a will, but that will is under the power of sin and in bondage to sin."

We know corruption is progressive and irreversible, and that any attempt to redeem society is doomed to fail. So what's God's plan for His people? "The grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age, looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from every lawless deed and purify for Himself His won special people, zealous for good works." (Titus 2:11-14)

God won't patch up the "old man," the old corrupt, fallen nature. He doesn't improve it. Man can reform, can improve, but only God can create. This is something God has to do for us and in us; we cannot do it ourselves. He'll produce a new creation. "Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new." That's God's perfect remedy.

"I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh.. and I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws.." (Ezekiel 36:22-28)

God is taking away the heart of stone and giving back a heart of flesh capable of responding to His Word and to His Spirit. It's important to see that neither Jew nor Gentile can do God's will apart from the Holy Spirit. Only when God puts the Holy Spirit in someone can he do the will of God. Every reborn Christian who reads these words ought to rejoice. It's a testimony of God's covenant-keeping faithfulness to His people, a testimony of the absolute accuracy of the Bible, and an up-to-date message that's being fulfilled before our very eyes.

(21-04-2025, 03:47 PM)cheekopekman Wrote: [ -> ]Thank you for your reply lah!  I can't force you lah! But I hope 1 day you will become a Christian lah!

Why would you want me to go against what the Father said? Didn't you read it yourself? The Father said he is God and there is no other. Why would you want me to defy that simple commandment?

(22-04-2025, 01:23 AM)S I M T A N Wrote: [ -> ]The term "grace" is loosely used by many people. You can talk a good game about the grace of forgiveness, but we all know your kind of grace isn't the sort specific to our faith, which has connotations of spiritual rebirth. Let me go into detail about why Christianity places so emphasis on grace.

The NT describes us as being "flesh" by nature. This condition of flesh involves such a moral weakness that we can't do what God requires. If we can't do what God requires, how can God possibly hold us responsible and accountable to a law we can't keep? Bear in mind the law requires perfection, yet none of us is perfect. So how can God demand perfection from imperfect creatures? Jonathan Edwards, a noted theologian, provides a helpful distinction between natural and moral ability:

"Natural ability means the necessary power or equipment to perform a task. For a being to do moral works, he must have moral powers. He must have a will and a mind. A creature without a will cannot make moral decisions while a creature without a mind cannot respond with understanding to moral concerns.

If God commanded us to fly, we would not be able to comply, not on moral grounds but on natural grounds. We lack the ability to fly, not because we're sinners but because God hasn't provided us with wings. Birds have the natural ability to fly but human beings do not. Man can only fly by artificial and mechanical means.

The Bible says there's a sense in which man cannot do what he is required to do. This is a "moral inability." The NT says man cannot keep the law of God, and it's not because he lacks a will or a mind and cannot understand what God requires, but because man doesn't have a proper disposition toward God, being in a state of enmity and estrangement from God. Man has a will, but that will is under the power of sin and in bondage to sin."

We know corruption is progressive and irreversible, and that any attempt to redeem society is doomed to fail. So what's God's plan for His people? "The grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age, looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from every lawless deed and purify for Himself His won special people, zealous for good works." (Titus 2:11-14)

God won't patch up the "old man," the old corrupt, fallen nature. He doesn't improve it. Man can reform, can improve, but only God can create. This is something God has to do for us and in us; we cannot do it ourselves. He'll produce a new creation. "Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new." That's God's perfect remedy.

"I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh.. and I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws.." (Ezekiel 36:22-28)

God is taking away the heart of stone and giving back a heart of flesh capable of responding to His Word and to His Spirit. It's important to see that neither Jew nor Gentile can do God's will apart from the Holy Spirit. Only when God puts the Holy Spirit in someone can he do the will of God. Every reborn Christian who reads these words ought to rejoice. It's a testimony of God's covenant-keeping faithfulness to His people, a testimony of the absolute accuracy of the Bible, and an up-to-date message that's being fulfilled before our very eyes.

We already agree on the issue of grace. We are dependent on God's grace for our salvation. 

I repeat the question. How do we get on God's gracious side? Do you have a clear and easy answer? By easy, I mean a 7-year-old can understand.

To get on God's gracious side, you must follow Jesus ..what did He command you to do? To get baptise and pray in the name of The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit ....you have to get the very basic right first